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Jiddu Krishnamurti

I thought I’d write a little about Jiddu Krishnamurti, as I studied his work a lot at one time and years later in numerous occasions while out of the body, I received some information about him, which can shed some light upon his work as a spiritual teacher.

Krishnamurti was a great influence upon me in my late teens, particularly as an inspiration to practice the awareness of the present moment and to observe my inner states.

I began studying his work in 1981. Two years before that I took art as a subject in school, which enabled me to spend much of the time painting outdoors in nature. My goal was to capture the spiritual I felt in nature, and so I would sit for hours perceiving its stillness, movement, peacefulness, and beauty. I wanted to communicate the spiritual I felt in nature through painting, and so I decided to study art after leaving school to pursue that goal.

When I started attending Art College in 1981, I, along with the rest of the students were sent a recommended reading list that didn’t have much art on it, but was mostly a list of philosophical and esoteric books (thankfully). Among them was one of my favorites at the time – the Tao Te Ching and several books by Krishnamurti such as The Impossible Question and Freedom from the Known. I found some of his books in the library and studied them intensively.

He spoke of the things I felt and I sensed that he had conveyed essentially the same thing in words that I had attempted to convey in art, and I was convinced that he could lead me to a greater understanding of what the spiritual at the heart of it was.

There was more than a material understanding going on with J. Krishnamurti – I sensed that he seemed to have ‘something’ else that I could feel more than think about. I had also felt that ‘something’ and I knew he had some key to unlocking spiritual perceptions within myself; although I couldn’t put into words what it was.

A friend of mine at the college called Mike was also interested in Krishnamurti and we would meet regularly to discuss whatever Krishnamurti book we were reading.

I wanted to thoroughly understand what Krishnamurti was saying and live the message in his work fully, and so I poured over line after line to see what I could use in there to experience the things he was saying. I didn’t want just a verbal understanding, I wanted to get to the core of it.

Attending Krishnamurti’s Talks at Brockwood Park

I found out that he gave talks every year at Brockwood Park in Hampshire, England, and so Mike and I decided to attend. The 1982 gathering at Brockwood Park lasted for 10 days, and being there was so different from the small, narrow-minded town I had grown up in. As we arrived, we were suddenly with people who shared the same interests; it felt surreal, there were people from all over the world. The event in itself was interesting with lots of new people to meet and in the evening many of us would gather in a circle around a camp fire to sing songs from the 60’s and early 70’s with people from the hippy days.

Unfortunately I only took the tent I had as a child to camp in; it was much smaller than I remembered it as a child. It turned out to be a toy tent, there was no ground sheet, my legs stuck out the end, and it inflated like a balloon in the wind. Mike didn’t have a tent and had to find accommodation where he could.

I had a disaster with someone else’s tent one night when I was walking and looking up admiring the stars. Suddenly I felt my foot go through the roof of it and connect with a person below – I fell spread-eagle across the tent. A couple emerged from the mess; the man was angry, but his wife calmed him down. I gave them $20 and left. The next night they had a white flag attached to their broken tent to make it visible.

Krishnamurti walking past my toy tent

Krishnamurti walking past my toy tent

It was eye-opening to meet so many different people from around the world, all interested in alternative spirituality. Mike and I played tennis against a couple of Osho’s disciples who wore their orange robes and had pictures of Osho around their necks. We won, perhaps though it was because we didn’t have the baggage of the orange robes dragging around us.

There was great anticipation when the time of the talks came around, and I sat at the front for each of the talks. When Krishnamurti came on stage my impression then was that he was so different to anyone I’d met before that he seemed to me like he was from another planet and I listened intensively to everything he said. I attended all his talks in Brockwood Park in 1982 and 1983 and I appear in the audience in some of them. I’m in the white top with my arms showing in the 1982 video and appear at the end with curly hair in the 1982 clip which is in black and white following the color clip. YouTube Preview Image

At the end of one of the talks I smelt a beautiful aroma, and said to Mike “what a wonderful aroma,” but he didn’t smell it. So I asked others around and one woman said, “that is the aroma of his Master.” I somehow understood what she meant, but the aroma could have come from one of many spiritual sources.

I often spent time walking in the grove where Krishnamurti liked to spend quiet moments; the serenity of the countryside was very beautiful.

Outside the talks Krishnamurti kept away from the crowds and seemed to confine himself to a section of the main house. The only time we saw him apart from the talks was when Mike and I spotted him swatting flies in the window of his room.

At the end of the 10 days of the gathering at Brockwood Park life in the outside world resumed, and after that brief time away from ‘normal life’ I felt more sensitive and psychic. However, I could feel the harshness of the everyday material world as I settled back into it. The talks at Brockwood gave me a glimpse of a better way of living. I tried my best to live in a spiritual way from them, but life quickly eroded the finer perceptions away from me.

The next year in 1983 I was back in Brockwood for the talks, along with Mike and the toy tent. This time it rained for days and I spent time drying my sleeping bag on the fence and near the campfire. Krishnamurti passed my drying sleeping bag on the way to give his talk and spoke about the bad weather we were having.

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It was another valuable time, but over the three years I intensively studied the work of J. Krishnamurti, I began to find that the central messages contained in it were circular, in that they didn’t actually lead anywhere, they brought little or no action, and didn’t bring about real change. In spite of all my study I ended up being stuck.

On Krishnamurti’s Teachings

Truth may be a pathless land as Krishnamurti once said, but truth should not be confused with enlightenment. Enlightenment does have a defined process, and that is a path. It’s difficult to find, but it’s there.

I could go into various aspects of what he taught to highlight the reasons why his teaching never worked for me, but that can become a tedious festival of words, especially since it takes personal experience to really understand these kinds of spiritual and esoteric things. The main thing is that when you have certain kinds of more esoteric spiritual experience, you’ll find many things that directly conflict with much of Krishnamurti’s message.

Sometimes he would let slip clues that he thought more about the esoteric than he was letting on, such as when he said that when you are aware throughout the day that dreams become something else, or when he was told he had cancer at the end of his life and he said “what did I do?” implying he understood the principle of karma.

Sometimes too he would admit that action was needed rather than his philosophy, that effort or doing was not required, and realization was a force enough in itself to bring change, such as when he said that self-observation is arduous to do. But his inspiring descriptions of awareness make up for it in some ways.

Krishnamurti’s work, although hinting at and sometimes implying higher realities, unfortunately led more towards living an atheistic and materialistic life, one that is mostly devoid of esoteric experience and knowledge. One of the greatest effects he had in the longer term was to promote the ideas of there being no path to enlightenment, there are no gurus and that anyone can basically do whatever they want and still be spiritual. I believe that what has indirectly emerged in society from Krishnamurtis work is harmful to a more serious esoteric spirituality.

To me, the most valuable work of Krishnamurti’s was Krishnamurti’s Journal. It notes some of his experiences of awareness and, at the time, I found it particularly inspirational. Its great strength is its almost poetic description of the sense of awareness.

An Esoteric Perspective on Krishnamurti

About nine years after going to Brockwood Park I had an out-of-body experience where a spiritual Being spoke to me about Krishnamurti. He told me that he had the mission to be an inspiration, and that made sense.

That is what he had been to me, and, from my perspective, he really was about that. I understood too why his message was so captivating.

A couple of years later Krishnamurti’s Spirit or Master (Atman) appeared to me in the astral world. It was the time in my path (early on) when I had to choose a guide or guru to guide me for a while. He said to me “I can help you if you like, but I’m not much more advanced (on the path) than you.” I said “Ok” while conveying gratitude at the same time, and then he vanished.

How ironic it was that Krishnamurti in life had denounced gurus with such conviction and here was his own divine Spirit offering to be mine. I chose him as my guide because I had already established a trust with the person he had manifested in, in life, and because his Spirit was of the ray of love, which I felt an affinity with. I didn’t know the name of his Spirit though; calling him Krishnamurti seemed to be fine.

He was actually quite strict as a guide, which I didn’t expect. He would ensure that I met certain standards to be able to receive teachings in the astral world. For example, there was one desire, or ego I was having difficulty with, and it was an obstacle to my progress. I walked up to him in the astral plane expecting a teaching. He was sitting down at a desk and he showed me the ego. I told him I would overcome it. He said to me “tomorrow,” and that was all he said. The next day in the physical world I was in a situation in which my ego was provoked, I gave in to it and knew I had succumbed to failure; I didn’t get to receive his teaching the next night, nor for a while afterwards.

What was teaching was his divine Spirit, a higher part of consciousness; this is normally disconnected from an individual, but upon having a certain spiritual level, which is a specific initiation of the path in the higher worlds, that Spirit is able to incarnate within a person and come in and out of the human body and psyche, by manifesting in consciousness as it wishes. Krishnamurti had reached that level in a past life and was born into this one with it. However, I believe that in this life Krishnamurti fell, became disconnected from his Master, and became no more than an ordinary person, and what taught me was his separated Spirit..

Every person has their own divine Spirit waiting to be manifest within their consciousness. Although it is a higher part of consciousness, it is a smaller aspect of the Father, the Being, and later on the path it merges into the Being.

Eventually as I continued my path, my own Spirit (Belsebuub) was able to manifest within my consciousness. I never saw the higher consciousness of Krishnamurti after that; he would have reached up to that point or just before it in his life, which is a third of the way through the process of enlightenment. He hadn’t incarnated the Spiritual Son, and, if he were to do that he would lead a very different life, one of suffering and persecution. I hope one day in another lifetime, he will take up the path again and incarnate the Spiritual Son.

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Krishnamurti, his brother and Annie Besant with Theosophists. Note how esoteric knowledge was well regarded then by some of the wealthier members of society.

His first book At the Feet of the Master, which he wrote at 14, is very different from his later ones. Whether or not he is the author is debatable, but it is an esoteric book in which he gives teachings which it was alleged came from his Master, or divine Spirit. Although in my view it’s not a particularly useful book and somewhat misleading, he does mention the path and the astral world amongst many other esoteric subjects. This may have been influenced by Theosophists Leadbeater and Basant, but as he got older, Krishnamurti’s teaching underwent a big change, becoming less esoteric and more mundane.

He did not do the work of the path in his life and didn’t understand it. It is possible that at some time in a past life he backed away from the hardships and suffering of it, and instead, knowingly or not, chose a more pleasant life. Yet in doing that he still fulfilled a spiritual mission and became an inspiration to many to aspire to spirituality in a universal way and he received his reward in the fine things his life brought him, including adoration, wealth, a pleasant lifestyle, good health and a long life.

Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub)

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  1. This is such a great story Mark, thank you so much for sharing it with us. I couldn’t help but laugh at the sagas with your toy tent and trampling over the other one in the dark, and the thought of your tennis match against orange-robed Osho disciples is just too funny :)

    But of course there’s a much more important aspect to it in what you’ve shared about your experiences earlier on which I find really amazing and inspiring. For me it shows how progressing spiritually is really worth striving for as the utmost priority, however difficult that may be. To lead a somewhat spiritual type of life but not make any real progress on the path seems like such a waste – neither here nor there.

    The events at Brockwood park also seem like such special events to have happened, I could not imagine that we could ever experience that kind of thing again in the world.

  2. Thanks for this article, Mark. The part about how he must have chosen a more comfortable life was really helpful in showing the importance of the choices each person makes. I was really surprised by this part.

    I can understand why inspiration is so important because it helps to keep people going strong. I remember in one of your videos you mentioned something about how the best source of inspiration a person can have is their own experiences. This has been very helpful, as well.

  3. Aleksandr says:

    A sentence at the end of this article keeps coming up in my mind, “He did not do the work of the path in his life and didn’t understand it.” Could you please clarify on that. In particular, I am trying to grasp what we can do to help us understand what it means to do the work of the path. Because it’s clear to me that the understanding of ‘the work of the path’ is not something that many have, even though the information is available.

    Thank you

  4. “His first book At the Feet of the Master, which he wrote at 14, is very different from his later ones. Whether or not he is the author is debatable, but it is an esoteric book in which he gives teachings apparently from his Master, or divine Spirit.”

    Thanks a lot Mark for bringing this book to our attention, I couldn`t stop reading it, it contains so much wisdom.

  5. I was never keen on Krishnamurti and found most of his talks vacuous, particularly compared to Blavatsky and her story. A good historical doco on K. is below and helps explain some of the reasons why I felt that way, which is probably related to how others groomed and presented him in the early days. That said I often wondered if he was a return or reincarnation of one of the earlier figures in Theosophy?
    http://youtu.be/YyRsLLo8YtU

    Your experiences out of the body are very interesting and helps to understand a number of things. Thank you very much for sharing.

  6. I was so surprised to get back on Jiddu Krishnamurti’s esoteric work after few years of esoteric research in my own spiritual process towards the change. The only thing I knew about him was his name and that he had a esoteric life, because in my childhood my parents spoke about his work. And when I heard on youtube the first interview of him, I was so astonished to his talks and I found that what he said was really precis.

    But that was not Jiddu Krishnamurti who gave me the tools to really start to change within. The people who taught me the esoteric tools was Steeve and Bianca Oberzusser. Their teachings was really interesting because they included always a lot of practices. I’m so happy to have gotten these teachings from generous and balanced people like them. It’s after few months that I was interested to know where these teachings from. And I have knew that they had took their learning directly from you.

    I like the approach of Jiddu Krishnamurti but I have some preference for the tools of the deep esoteric teachings that are given here from you, Mark. Again thank you, and thanks a lot for Angela and all of your winner team.

  7. What a remarkable story with some funny moments in them, thanks for sharing this. I did not know much about Krishnamurti before but he sounds like an inspiring figure who could bring together people interested in spirituality.

  8. Thanks for sharing this, Mark. I did not know very much about Krishnamurti, but watching the video and hearing your description of the talks, and being around all those people sounds very special. I can see how that would give a huge boost of inspiration and help develop trust in his Being.

    It’s quite remarkable how all those events unfolded.

  9. Michelle says:

    Thanks for sharing this part of your journey. I find it very inspiring.

  10. Seraphim says:

    Thank you Mark, you shared with us this article.

    For one more time it was inspiring and helpful for me with various ways.

    I liked also to me K. His speech has something alive but I also felt (as others) said that something was missing from his message.

    It is also surprising that he didn’t continued on the path, although that time his Divine Spirit was your guru.

  11. Thanks for sharing these insights with us and your experience. I found this article very helpful (and also very funny :) ). And thanks for highlighting At the Feet of the Master — it reminds me a bit of The Voice of the Silence (recorded by Blavatsky).

    It always amazed me how influential people were highly involved in the esoteric in the late 1800s and early 1900s — be it via Theosophy, Gurdjieff’s schools, Princess Mary Karadja, etc. Strange how times have changed.

  12. I’d never heard of Annie Besant and I’ve enjoyed looking her up. It’s quite amazing to know that esoteric knowledge was well regarded by some of the wealthier members of society. It’s also very sad because esoteric wisdom should be knowledge available to all, yet it continues to be suppressed by the dark side of this world.

    • Julian Kingman says:

      It is sad that just over 100 years ago esoteric knowledge was widely held in positive regard, that’s not that long ago, and yet today it would be impossible for new groups like that to develop.

  13. Very nice and insightful write up, thanks for sharing that.

    I can relate to that feeling of being among people, for the first time, who share the same spiritual interest and understanding. If you’ve sort of ‘been alone’ spiritually before that. How wonderful!

    Quite a funny moments there in Brockwood Park as well :)

  14. Thank you Mark for sharing with us your experience with Krishnamurti. I think most can relate in some way to his story; all of us are at some point in our journey and that we can get stuck even without knowing it, and that it may take a long time, maybe even several lives, to acquire enough experience to be able to face and overcome whatever has been stopping us and to move forward.

    It was also interesting to read that you were able to perceive non-physical aroma of his Master; makes me wonder how much more there is to be seen, felt or heard.

  15. Matthew says:

    Thanks for sharing this with us Mark. It is an amazing story. On one level it’s inspiring to read about the help you received from Krishnamurti, on another level it’s a bit unsettling that someone could go so far and then seemingly lose their understanding, which shows how no one can anything for granted. At the same time, it is a marvel of life that he could fulfil a spiritual mission in the world and his being could guide you on the path even though he wasn’t walking it anymore. Life is so mysterious and it really makes you wonder.

  16. Julian Kingman says:

    I’ve often wondered about Krishnamurti, as his books helped me a lot as I was starting to do the spiritual work more earnestly. I read a few of his books, and I found that they were essential in helping me to question a lot of beliefs that were keeping me stagnant. Additionally, reading his books sometimes felt like an awareness practice itself.
    One time a friend and I had a conversation for something like 20-30 minutes on a bus ride about something like being objective, after which I opened one of Krishnamurti’s books (I believe it was Beyond Violence) and proceeded to read our entire conversation point-for-point in the first 10 pages of the book.
    I’ve always felt that Krishnamurti has a lot of wisdom to share and that his writings and teachings are very useful, but without teachings on the spiritual keys to awakening, the teaching is really quite limited. It’s interesting that you got to know his being first-hand and the wisdom he had acquired helped you more directly in your work. It makes me wonder about other figures of the past who haven’t completed their work, and also about individuals who seemed to come to earth with much of the path already finished.

  17. Thank you very much for this information. I also liked Krishnamurti’s work but felt there was something missing. Being an inspiration I feel it was a great mission and I hope Krishnamurti will complete the esoteric path at some point..

  18. Thank you for telling us about Krishnamurti and your connection with him.

    It’s true for me too as for so many others, that he inspired and put the flame on spirituality so much and especially on the importance of the thoroughly research of everything. As much i have studied him i would definitely recommend his work to someone who start looking for the inner work.
    For me though he wasn’t practical enough in order to apply his sayings. It was like i needed to find everything by myself from the scratch. Instead your work, that gives a kind of map to someone in order not to lose time. Of course both ways have its own great value for me.

    Krishnamurti’s revolutionary spirit against gurus and Theosophist school was another thing that i liked, and its really funny that you met his spirit as a guide to your path.

    I wish if you could tell us for other spiritual teachers similar experiences. Like with Osho, Gurdjieff or other because probably there is a lot of misleading out there.

    Thanks again!

  19. How interesting to look back into the past and see so many people interested to gather and camp for 10 days to see Krishnamurti talk. Have times changed or are the opportunities simply rare and less popular?

    It also struck me to read the deeper esoteric side of K, his mission to inspire, his unfinished path, and that he was actually your guru until a certain stage. To see someone seemingly so advanced, but leaving or missing the chance to grow further is a bit unsettling, as this in many ways can happen to any one of us.

    Hope you got a better tent :)

    • I think that’s a good point Olga, how much things have changed. It was really a different time back then it seems, as Mark mentioned, “Note how esoteric knowledge was well regarded then by some of the wealthier members of society.”

      These type of people don’t seem to be around anymore or perhaps just too few in numbers. I also feel nowadays corporations are the new wealthy and its clear that esotericism is not what they want you and I to have, but those behind it keep it for themselves and invert it against us. How hard has it become for people to even have a sense of the moment in this state of chaotic world of drives? Every day we are being pushed to just consume, keeping us fascinated to feed our senses mindlessly instead of use them to be clear.

      On my walk today, I heard in my mind the words written on a billboard, and I didn’t even think I had looked at it, but unconsciously I did and it prompted to wake up and to question how much do we absorb and live out unconsciously, being programmed like robots, without any idea of how its being done?

      • Oh how times have changed.. I remember as a child thinking about all those older movies or documentaries, or meeting people much older then I and how different and reserved they were from the world I was in.

        Whether its intentional or not, its almost frightening how fast things are plummeting. From the increase of gang culture in fashion and music which took a rise maybe 20-40 years ago, to completely nonsensical things going on in today’s industries.

        The children and youth are different while moralities drop and drop. Makes it hard for something of light to be accepted or embraced on large. But given these circumstances what can we do to bring it out more?

  20. It was really interesting to read all this thanks Mark. I am not all that familiar with Krishnamurti’s teachings despite being aware of him as being regarded as a spiritual teacher. Still it was interesting to hear your perspective on him especially the esoteric insights you shared. Its incredible to me to think someone like him didn’t know or do the work in their life, and yet still was able to fulfill a role. But now knowing his story makes me feel very privileged to know about and have the opportunity to do this work, how precious and rare a gift?

    On another note, do you still have any of those old paintings you did of nature? Do you still paint now?

  21. Aleksandr says:

    Thank you for this article Mark. I have not studied Krishnaurti myself, but I really appreciate your description of esoteric experience. It is very inspiring and reminds me about the esoteric work in my own life.

    All the best with your pursuits!

  22. Thank you Mark, very inspirational, telling and at times very funny.

    On the light side, your tent situation was very funny, those poor people having to put up a white flag to prevent a similar situation happening to them made me laugh, something out of an English comedy. Though I’m sure at the time it wasn’t so humorous.

    On a serious note, I think what you have explained about Krishnamurti through your experience is very refreshing and gives light in an area unknown to many people, which I think you’re able to do from your own spiritual experiences.

    The intensity of your study I think is a good measure for me to reflect upon my own efforts; would I describe them as intense or poured over? I don’t think so, though the reality is pushing me to see that’s exactly what I need to do.

    Actually, there’s just so much in this article that gives inspiration, insight and points of reflection – hard to pen them all down, but I suppose one that stuck with me is the point you make about the path, “Enlightenment does have a defined process, and that is a path. It’s difficult to find, but it’s there.” We can walk around blindly attempting an idea of a path, or we can look to the defined process and actually start to ‘work’ through it…

    Thank you so much for this inspirational article and for sharing your experience with Krishnamurti and his teachings.

    I’ve also enjoyed everyone’s comments.

  23. Thanks for this personal story Mark.

    It sounds like Krishnamurti did indeed achieve his role to inspire others.

    I remember having a fascination with Krishnamurti and I met someone who had studied under him when I went to India many years ago. I questioned him about Krishnamurti’s teachings and was very disappointed to hear that he believed there was nothing after death, as I just knew this to be incorrect.

    It’s sad that Krishnamurti did not take up the teachings in his lifetime and I sometimes wonder what knowledge I also gained in the past that it presently lost to me. That in itself is inspiring to work harder.

    Thanks for sharing this part of your story and it’s great to read about, even in those early days, the minor hardships you overcame in your quest for knowledge and truth (ie, the tent and rain).

    Thank you for providing such accessible and clear guidance through your writings and books.

  24. Mark,Thank you for sharing your experience about Krishnamurti!
    In the past few years as I study more different world teachers I’ve been drawn to Krishnamurti. While his works are so extensive I didn’t know where to start. I found a few interesting writings of his which spoke of dying to yourself moment by moment and a more disguised understanding of the importance of sex. I also saw that his understanding was also occluded somehow and could run around a lot in words/concepts/metaphors.

    You’re experience with him physically and as a guide internally brings a broader perspective to his life and what his mission was. Thanks so much for sharing.

  25. Thanks Mark, great to hear your account of Krishnamurti. It’s also always very inspiring to hear about the path from your own experience.

  26. He does explain things well in some respects, his explanations of the mundane are pretty good too. An inspirational man indeed.

  27. Thanks for sharing Mark.

    I also find “At the Feet of the Master” to be an inspiring read….but not quite like the path that you have shown in your books (or Samael Aun Weor’s), which lay out explicitly what must be done, and why. I remember reading Krishnamurti many years ago and laying it aside because it failed to answer some pretty fundamental questions that were driving me to search in the first place.

    I can only say thank you for the help your books and teachings have given me. It is this path that I had been searching for, for many years.
    (I also apologise for the rage I had, when I discovered it. At the time I simply couldn’t understand why everyone else seemed to be ‘walking up the garden path’ by comparison.)

    I liked the way you mention your feet sticking out of the tent: Cold feet indeed! :)

  28. Thanks very much for talking about Krishnamurti’s teachings. I’ve heard of them and seen a little bit of his stuff but it’s useful to know more about him, his background and Being! The difference between the pathless land of truth and the path to enlightenment is a very interesting point, something that I probably need to contemplate a bit more.

    It’s amazing to wonder about the process of spiritual work throughout a series of lives – I wonder how much Krishnamurti was aware of his previous work himself.

  29. Very interesting. I too found Krishnamurti to be quite inspiring for the awareness, but I also knew about the esoteric work (at least in an intellectual sense) when I came across his works, so for me I just found him to be inspiring, but it was only supplemental to the spiritual work I was learning about through your teachings. I want to be one with this Being, too. Good, easy life is overrated, at least that’s one of the things I take away from my greatest inspiration, Jesus Christ.

    I do have a question. I know I don’t care about the good, easy life anymore than anyone else interested in this work, but I do have this great concern when troubles come my way because they are not isolated to me, so I get trapped in this cycle of trying to control situations in order to keep them from damaging others who may or may not care much about the spiritual work. It’s like I’m always trying to minimize the casualties of my own spiritual war which seems to not really work out in as much learning as I would like to be experiencing. Do you have any experience/advice on this? I would greatly appreciate any input you could give.

  30. Thanks a lot for sharing this Mark, it’s very inspiring.

  31. What a fascinating account, with so much to reflect on.

    It is amazing how the different parts of the being exist independently, part of a whole and yet functioning apart until they are merged. This seems like such a mysterious thing. Your story sheds some light on it but I would really like to understand it better through some experiences of my own.

    Also what an interesting tale of Krishnamurti. It makes me feel a bit sad he had achieved so much and yet remained stuck in this last life.

    It’s certainly pretty humbling when I consider my own life and how much difficulty there is in making even small steps, to think that he had reached that significant spiritual level and yet still perhaps shyed away from taking the next big step to incarnate the spiritual son.

    It really makes me feel like the suffering of that stage must be beyond anything I could possibly comprehend right now.

    All in all — thanks for sharing this personal history which contains so many insights to reflect upon. So useful!

    • Hey Justin, this is something I’ve also thought about from time to time.

      What would it be like for higher parts of our being to manifest in us. Certainly I don’t think it’s like losing awareness of oneself, like I imagine channeling to be, this would be the opposite of doing things more consciously.

      How would it manifest through us? Would it be like an expansion on top of the consciousness with which we normally perceive, or like a vast knowledgeable we’d then have access to, or like a peace and connectedness to life, or like an as of yet unknown spiritual feeling that we can feel with us?

      I don’t think I know. It certainly seems like something that needs to be experienced in order to know about it. But like you mentioned it’s amazing how there can exist individual parts, that form part of one whole.

    • It’s really interesting because I was just reflecting on this the other day, trying to grasp intellectually in some way, how there are these different and higher parts of ourselves just waiting for us to discover and become close to. It’s difficult (at least for me) to comprehend the deeply spiritual and unseen when I feel like I am the opposite most of the time. It’s hard to imagine what it’s like to be truly free like that.

      It’s definitely inspiring to hear of your account Mark and your experiences with Krishnamurti, thanks for sharing it.

      • ”It’s difficult (at least for me) to comprehend the deeply spiritual and unseen when I feel like I am the opposite most of the time. It’s hard to imagine what it’s like to be truly free like that.”

        I feel the same, I guess we just have to somehow take the risks to find it until its all that exists, and the illusions and non important things fade away once and for all.

  32. Thanks for the writeup; that was very interesting.

    Not sure if it was intented as such, but that line about the orange robes was hillarious. Also, I would’ve thought that after the first year in your little tent you would’ve gotten a better one more suited to tall people for the year after :-)

    • :)!

    • Yes, exactly Jordan, I guess he forgot all about the tent once the gathering was over and only remembered it again the next year…. I also liked “it was much smaller than I remembered it as a child”… :-))) He must have looked for it like “but where is that HUGE tent I had? Well, it must be this one then…”

    • Julian Kingman says:

      I was surprised that you kept the same tent as well.

  33. Thank you Mark very much for writing this and shedding light on so many details. There is so much teaching in everything you mentioned and I feel sad I can’t get clear enough in the astral plane to get to some real knowledge myself. What you have described about the mundane life weighing down on you after returning from Krishnamurti’s talks sounds familiar too. I feel in today’s times its almost impossible to awaken if one does not create around himself the environment conducive to that, which can be quite difficult at times. I used to think it was possible wherever we are, but now I see we are (or maybe just I am) too weak and need the support of cumulative spiritual energy of a place, where everything is directed towards this goal.

    I can very much relate to what you say about art and nature too. The beauty of Nature has the power of spontaneously making me more aware and almost ecstatic if that makes sense. And just like you, I feel drawn to drawing it, even though it takes me a long time since I haven’t studied it professionally. I also saw some of your photographs of nature some time ago and I really liked them. Have you actually made any paintings of Nature?

    Thank you very much again, just reading this article makes me feel the reality of the spiritual path that I know is out there.