Questions and answers from an online talk on death and ghosts and how to find out more about them.
Q: Is it possible for a recently deceased person’s consciousness to come and visit you in the astral plane?
Belsebuub: Yes, it’s possible, especially if not long has passed since their death.
But very often it’s the personality or ghost of the dead person which comes and visits in the astral plane or in dreams.
When a deceased person visits someone, even though they are in a different dimension, some people do sense their presence. They are sensing the astral world while being in the physical one.
These ghosts are the condensed mental form that a person acquires over the course of their life, which is discarded at a stage of death. They look and act just like the person but are unable to understand anything new. Because the ghosts think that they are still alive, they visit the places and people they used to see when they were alive. So if you were a part of a now deceased person’s life—when they were alive—the chances are that their ghost will come to you because they think that they are still alive, when actually they are in a dreamlike state. They very slowly dissolve and evaporate over time, while the consciousness, mind and egos, which are the main parts of a person, continue their journey separately.
So although it is possible for the consciousness, particularly just after death, to visit somebody in the astral plane-the astral and the physical dimensions being the same place, just different dimensions—after time the deceased person (consciousness and mind) moves on and what’s left hanging around is the personality and that’s what’s most likely to visit somebody in the astral plane.
Doesn’t a dream of getting married can foretell of death as a change of life—a new life?
Yes, a person can have that dream when they are moving on, there’s a change of life. So a dream of getting married often symbolizes physical death for anyone.
Sometimes though it is possible that a dream of that kind is a representation of the mind, it’s just coming from the subconscious, and isn’t significant at all. Someone who is getting married in the physical world can also dream of getting married, and there may be symbols in the dream associated with the actual marriage. So it doesn’t necessarily mean physical death. But on a symbolic level, that’s its main meaning, in initiation however, it can also symbolize the marriage of the twin spirits – male and female.
Even if we manage to verify the existence of the hell, the underworld, how can we verify that that’s where people go?
Well, if you’ve managed to verify the existence of the underworld then carry on verifying more things and that’s how you’ll find out where people can go. It’s a matter of personal investigation.
After an NDE a lot of people come back Christians. Was that the intention of the experience given to them?
We are given experiences according to our capacity of understanding and what we need to learn.
The Son/Christ is an important spiritual aspect and so for many people believing in the existence of the Christ is a major step. Jesus was a Christ with a mission to show the path of the Christ and so spiritual beings often take a form people recognise as Jesus in out of body or near death experiences, or after death.
Sometimes though spiritual beings will take forms people are familiar with in near-death experiences. So the kinds of things that a person will think that a spiritual presence refers to are those which they are familiar with and can relate to in their own society and values and their religion and cultures.
What people see is sometimes the way that the mind ascribes or looks at spiritual values, which is due to one’s past and conditioning, but the core near-death experience, the main thing the person has to go through after death isn’t affected by the way things are represented over there. If people knew about this work then they could do far more than just take up a religion. That’s one of the reasons I’m trying to get this message across.
Do all personalities stay in the third dimension after physical death and hang around places that they were attached to? I ask this as it’s not that often you hear about ghosts appearing compared to the number of people who have died, so I was wondering if all personalities follow a similar path?
Yes, all personalities (ghosts) follow a similar path—they are all discarded and they all hang around the places that they were attached to. You can’t usually see them here because they’re not physical. If you were to be in certain regions of the astral then you would see them. Although they’re nonphysical and you don’t usually see them, you can sometimes feel them and sense something, but they are all actually around us.
Why would personalities or ghosts sometimes be visible to people and other times not? Is it because of the ability of the living person to see the personality or the ability of the personality to make itself visible?
It’s usually because of the ability of the living person to see the personality. There could be two people in a place and one sees something and the other just senses it or some will not be able to sense it at all, so it has a lot to do with the ability at that particular moment of the person to see the personality.
Some personalities are stronger than others however, and they therefore have more of an effect of manifesting or becoming visible to those who are sensitive enough in the three-dimensional world, but the personality itself doesn’t have any abilities, it’s just a mental energy that’s gradually disintegrating and evaporating.
There have been several people talking to me about suicide, considering it an option for an extremely difficult situation in life. What would be possible to tell a person about this?
Feeling down is temporary and it can pass no matter what the events of life are. The body’s going to be dead after a certain time anyway, so make use of life while you have it. It’s hard to say anything more specific though because there’s a lot to understand about death. They don’t know where they’re going to, so they just see death as being whatever they think it’s about and they think that is preferable to the state of suffering that they’re in. They don’t realize that they’re going to a far greater suffering when they die, because of the repercussions of taking their own life. They won’t stop existing, and their sufferings will increase dramatically.
If there’s intense physical suffering then it’s understandable a person would want to die however, and that’s different to someone whose just feeling depressed, which is what I was referring to. But those who are suffering psychologically should realize that psychological sufferings are perfectly correctable and death is not reversible. So they should understand a bit more about where they’re going and realize their state, depression, takes them to that.
Depression is the way that nature has of making people and animals get out of things, and the end of it for some people is to get out of life. That’s the nature of depression and they should resist it at all costs, they should look at their lives, and make changes in them. How they are living their life is in many ways a psychological failure—so they would do well to reassess their life completely and make radical changes to it. It is better to make radical changes in life than it is to lose it. But it’s a very sensitive issue that requires individual attention and great care.
My question is about the attachment of the personality or the essence when death comes and if there’s a difference if a person gets buried or cremated, if there’s a difference between the two?
Yes, the personality sees its old body like its home in many ways. The body which is cremated has nothing or very little for the personality to attach itself to, so it doesn’t form its home around a grave and so the personality weakens and evaporates quicker.
My dad actually died last week. We were very close and I was with him most of the time throughout the last stage of his life. He had quite advanced cancer, and I really noticed he had a very strong will to live and when he realized that his quality of life had changed significantly he decided that he was ready to die and then within a week he died. I just wondered what relationship the will or consciousness had in that process.
The understanding he had can come from realizing he couldn’t change his circumstances and accepting it, understanding can also come from help from spiritual beings, as well as being comforted by people around him in the physical world.
Due to a spiritual influence people can sometimes feel comforted and reach an understanding, even if they don’t know how they found it. The spiritual is influencing the physical world all the time—it’s just not seen, but its ramifications can sometimes be felt.
It was interesting to see the process that my dad went through, particularly in the last couple of months as he approached death and the, I mean as you said, the change in understanding that he got about his life and death and what was happening to him, and he did, it seemed, come to an understanding that his life was over and he was comfortable with that, and then the process took place quite quickly.
Yes, deep down he would have known at some point that he was going to die. It’s possible even his inner self – his consciousness knew before he came to a rational understanding. Death is something that many people don’t take seriously when they are well and young, but you have to face it for what it is and put life in the context of death because it always ends.
And also just with regard to the first question that was answered that asked about contacting the consciousness or the personality of someone who has died—I noticed this past week I’ve been dreaming about my dad most nights and they have been quite sort of symbolic dreams. I wasn’t sure if they were just projections of my own subconscious or just dealing with the process myself, or whether it was actually, either my dad’s essence or personality that, that may have been. Or whether we were involved—his family involved—in that process that someone goes through after death?
Well, it’s for you to work out which they are. But his personality would be going back to those who it knew in life, and for a time after death the actual person (the consciousness and mind) can sometimes see their body after death and the people around it. And of course there can also be symbolic things, which would be for you to decipher.
Yes. And it seems prayer plays a significant part in the death process for most religions—I wondered what effect prayer had on the deceased, if any?
It has an effect upon those who are dying, and those who are deceased could be helped, but at death they are going through a process in which they start their journey and relive their life and then move up, usually to a temporary heaven, for a kind of spiritual holiday, sometimes they enter a temporary hell and sometimes their cycle of lives has finished and they descend in nature’s wheel. In life there is the means to get knowledge and consciousness and to do the things which are most essential in life, which are spiritual in their nature.
You see, death makes us face life differently. Only the superficial can be under the illusion that thinking about death is to be put off for another time and see death as some far-off event that can’t be known about while alive. Some don’t want to do what it takes to find out and simply believe the material world is all there is and that nothing continues after death, but these people remain in ignorance out of their unwillingness to explore.
The more someone can understand about life and investigate the process of it, the more they are going to understand the process of death. It’s better to do something worthwhile in this life, not to end it as it was started, with ignorance and nothing significantly new. Everyone exists over there over, comes here, and then goes back over there. And pretty much everyone is going through that process empty-handed—what a waste, what a complete waste of a wonderful opportunity.
It’s sheer foolishness not to look at life seriously in this context—absolute foolishness. Sometimes it’s only when a member of the family dies, that you realize how temporary life is and you can see how everything that they had physically is completely gone, wiped off—there’s no going back to it.
Thanks very much for those answers that’s cleared up a few things. I must say though, it was an amazing experience just to go through and share someone’s last period of their life, although it was obviously painful because of the relationship for me personally to go through that, but also to see my dad go through that process and the way he dealt with it and the things that he discovered and learnt. You know just to see what life teaches people was amazing.
Death is a very profound thing that affects all those who are close. Some people take an academic approach to understanding death. And many ask academic questions, but that shows a lack of understanding. It’s as though death is not something which affects that person. But it is, and it’s ridiculous to just go through life as if it’s something untouchable, as though it can’t be understood and is unfortunate and that’s it.
The way a person lives is profoundly affected by death; someone who is unknowing in life faces an unknowing death. The loss of loved ones from this world is always an awfully sad event, as the separation from the physical world is final and the loss is very real and sadness understandable. And for the individual contemplating their own death, an unknowing death can be terribly painful. Whereas those who have done a great work to re-unite with divinity in this life can look with hope to what comes after, because they have the spirit within them in life and they take it with them in death, and are free from the chains of the body. But for those who leave this life as they came, are housed in perishable form, they see no more than this earth, and the body, and all the things here. For them death is usually only a terrible tragedy, because of all that’s going to be gone, and become nothing. And the individual sees only that they are going to vanish, and for most there’s no knowledge of what comes after, just a belief—a belief that a heaven or a hell or whatever exists, or a belief that nothing exists after death. But those who explore death and re-unite with the spirit know of deaths impact and its profundity and those who have the elixir of immortality and who are saved from the chains of nature and the abyss exist perpetually in the abode of their spiritual Father.
Living life in a superficial way brings about terrible pain because at death all of that which was acquired materially in life, all of which one was attached to is discarded, and it has to be left, with no choice. And then to face the death of the body not knowing whether one exists or not is a terrible thing to go through.
Many people never have a profound spiritual feeling for life and death and so never really search deeply for answers. And it’s quite difficult to understand the nature of death and more difficult again to understand what gives immortal life. Consciousness is not in itself immortal as it goes into nothingness in its perception a myriad of times, falling into deep sleep in nature and re-awakening in many forms, having incipient physical mechanisms to perceive existence and suffering the underworld and suffering the annihilation of the mind. It is difficult to reach spiritual truths and a process of initiations to go through to gradually acquire access to higher knowledge. And yet it’s with the journey on the path to the inner Father that a person can not only understand death, but can spiritually transcend it.
It’s a waste of valuable time not to make use of life to re-unite with the spiritual, and to spend it immersed in the fascination with matter, the body, and earth, bearing in mind that what one is attracted to indicates where ones true values lie, and those whose values are founded upon things of matter are still drawn to matter when their time in this world is up.
A Q&A session from an online talk in July 2009.