Why there are dark feelings and nightmares and what to do about them

This explains what goes on deep down in the mind and how an inner abyss affects thoughts, emotions and feelings, and explains how the places of nightmares exist in another dimension and they affect us here and now.

Belsebuub says how in some of his explorations in another dimension he has gone through the abyss or hell to the point of infinity at the center of the earth. This is sometimes known as the Seat of Satan, and it’s the center point of the abyss, where the main temple of darkness and demons is (please don’t try to go there yourself, you need solar bodies). From this axis point the forces of darkness move upwards to influence the earth at a multidimensional level.

This process has its counterpart in the inner multidimensional structure of the human psyche too. Inwardly, in the inner abyss of a human being there is also a point of infinity it’s where all inner forces of darkness meet; it’s connected with the outer abyss and it interpenetrates it.

This internal abyss sends its low vibrations upwards through the channel sometimes known as the Kundabuffer, into the coccyx bone and through the canal of the spine to the brain and there to the whole of the psyche.

This he says, in effect poisons the psyche with low energies. Belsebuub goes on to explain how these low energies get spread throughout whole the psyche resulting in low states and bestial ego drives and desires.

The cure he says, is to begin the path to liberation and awaken the Kundalini, which is alighting the sacred fire in the coccyx bone, the energy of the spiritual Mother. Then that divine energy goes through the canal of the spine and the person is no longer a ‘dry canal’ (as Jesus called the spine that is without a risen Kundalini in it), but has in effect a spiritual nervous system lit by divine energy.

Jesus mentioned ‘dry canals’ in ‘The Acts of Peter and the Twelve Apostles’ an ancient text found at Nag Hammadi, in Egypt.

And there shall be others of those who are outside our number who name themselves bishop and also deacons, as if they have received their authority from God. They bend themselves under the judgment of the leaders. Those people are dry canals.

Thus Belsebuub explains, as the path of initiations begin, the Kundalini rises and the Kundabuffer ends and so too do the diabolical vibrations and energies of the abyss in their raw, basic form. We are then free from their influence and are set upon the process of liberation from inner darkness and the bonds it places upon us and are heading into light.

Another video from the same Questions and Answers session has been added to the page Training in Spiritual Exercises on the Biography site.

By | 2016-10-26T13:16:14+00:00 October 26th, 2016|hell and demons, video|81 Comments

About the Author:

Angela Pritchard is a researcher and practitioner of the ancient religion of the sun. Writing alongside her husband Mark Pritchard (Belsebuub), she helped co-author the book The Path of the Spiritual Sun. Mark provides the spiritual knowledge found in her videos and articles, which she combines with research into the latest discoveries in science, cosmology, sacred sites, and ancient texts. Her own website is https://sakrosawel.com/


  1. carmel November 21, 2016 at 1:28 am - Reply

    Thank you for these Talks and explaining this very important Topic so clearly and also how those Ego s are so enslaving to our inner work and how they harm us so badly. It is very much appreciated all the efforts you have made to help us all with this amazing Information.
    Thanks again Carmel

  2. Aleksandr November 11, 2016 at 8:50 pm - Reply

    Thank you for posting this talk and for explaining so clearly how the pulling of material things to oneself is linked to desire and that to the hypnotic state of the psyche. I have noticed in myself that wanting something creates a darkness and a heaviness, however I did not realize how serious it is.

    Thank you also for explaining the requirements for how to break through this. I hope that I can spend a day as you describe.

    On a technical note, the last minute of the video seems like it may not be part of the talk. Is this meant to be part of the video or a technical glitch?

  3. Maria November 10, 2016 at 7:43 pm - Reply

    Thank you for this video, it had a strong impact in me as I listen to it, yes, giving me hope and some calmness. Listening to Mark’s videos at this difficult period for me helps me understand better things that I live in my life and relationships lately and much better these powerful teachings and this gives me strength that I need.. This video which I avoid to listen in the beginning gave me the most strength.

    Thank you deeply Mark and Angela for this precious help.

  4. Alexandros November 8, 2016 at 10:14 am - Reply

    I watched that video again and again, great teaching. Thanks for the explanations and for giving hopes for changing ourselves

  5. Sangita November 7, 2016 at 4:10 am - Reply

    Am sorry for posting a question not related to the post but I could not find a post related to my question. In gnostic path the mantra IEAOUMS is used and is explained that I corresponds to head E to ears telepathy A to lungs O to heart U to solar plexus M to reproductive organs and S to genitals. Which means we are traversing from top to bottom while saying the mantra which seems weird since we need to work on raising the energy up. Another point is that in India AUM mantra is taught to vibrate different areas than IEAUMS. In India we know it as A is below navel U is chin to navel M is head. Which means while saying AUM we go up which feels right. Also I can feel M in head like humming sound in head so feeling wise AUM flow as taught in India feels right. But then IEAUMS says opposite. So which is right?

    • Angela Pritchard November 8, 2016 at 2:25 am - Reply

      Hi Sangita, That mantra is not something Mark teaches; he teaches the path of the Sun. The other path is incomplete and has many mistakes in it.

      • Vadim November 8, 2016 at 4:41 am - Reply

        Hi Angela, once again thank you so much to you and Mark for passing to us this amazing knowledge…I keep reading your new book The Path of the Spiritual Sun little by little, and there are so many new things there to me. I just hope and pray that I would be able to realize my spiritual potential as much as possible in this lifetime.

      • Sangita November 8, 2016 at 4:16 pm - Reply

        This mantra is mentioned in a book by teacher Samael. And I remember listening to a recording of mantra sounds of I E A O U by teacher Belsebuub in his old site. For me both teachers are same and teach the same path as both talk about same mountains, work on egos, alchemy etc. I do not understand this clash of teachers at all and am not interested in it either. So I would appreciate if the mistakes you see in this mantra can be explained.

        • Angela Pritchard November 9, 2016 at 12:32 pm - Reply

          Hi Sangita,

          Doing mantras using the vowels I E A O U is something that can be beneficial, and the use of these vowels with sound can be traced back at least as early as ancient Egypt. Samael only recommended that 5 of his books be used, and we only reference those 5 (as well as those he wrote after he made that recommendation), however even they contain some mistakes, so in taking practices from his books, that’s something to bear in mind as there is no use repeating incorrect information. Doing mantras while visualizing chakras, and adding certain other things, is something that Mark himself doesn’t recommend in his current work.

          Also, there is no clash of teachers – only with information that is not correct. Mark only wishes that the information he gives is as clear and accurate as possible, because as you can imagine, it is very easy to go off track when it comes to esoteric information, as so few people have experience of esoteric things, and like that, can easily take diversions and spread misinformation to others that can confuse and mislead, albeit unintentionally. Time is limited for everyone, and so for those who are serious, Mark is working to provide the most important information a serious person needs.

          • Roy November 9, 2016 at 5:02 pm

            Thanks for the clarification Angela and reminding us that our time is limited here. I don’t want to waste it on illusionary things and this website as been an enormous help to make a better judgment on how to spend it. I truly appreciate what you, Mark, and everyone else is doing to get this information out there to help others and to create opportunities for others to help out as well.

          • Patricia November 9, 2016 at 5:02 pm

            Thanks for the clarification Angela and Sangita for asking that question, I found it helpful.

          • john p November 10, 2016 at 1:08 am

            I long time ago I tried visualising a chakra while doing a mantra and it never felt right for me.

            It’s great to get this confirmation from Belsebuub. Thanks Angela.

          • Martin November 11, 2016 at 12:03 am

            Wonderful to read these words Angela, thank you.

          • Matthew November 13, 2016 at 2:18 pm

            Interesting John, I had similar experiences. I always found the mantra practices worked best for me when I just focused on the mantra itself, without the chakra visualisation. The sound itself seems to have its own power and when I just focused single-mindedly on it I seemed to go deeper with the practice.

          • Sue November 20, 2016 at 8:36 am

            Yes, thanks Sangita for raising the question and your explanation Angela (and reminder about our time).

            I also never felt right doing visualisations of the chakras and have always focusing on the sounds and vibration far more powerful.

    • Vadim November 8, 2016 at 5:20 am - Reply

      Hi Sangita,

      Maybe my answer can be of some help too…

      The mantra IEOUA was often taught by TGM; gnostic IEOUAMS just adds two more lower chakras to it: M for Swadhishthana and S for Muladhara. These mantras are normally done on the same pitch.

      In Hinduism, AUM/OM is typically done with 3 different notes and ascending intonation, so M resonates with the Ajna chakra.

      The symbolism of descending in the context of doing a mantra is like “Father Heaven descends to Mother Earth”, we make ourselves receptive to spiritual emanations descend through us…

      In a way it it like in a relaxation practice, we can start with the soles of our feet and finish with the crown of our head, or we can start from the crown of the head and descend to the feet. Both practices are quite similar.

      Yes, the Kundalini needs to rise upwards, but when it comes to basic practices, there are so many variations of techniques, we need to find right things which deeply resonate with us, and put sufficient efforts into the right direction, to succeed with our Inner Work.

      • Sangita November 8, 2016 at 4:19 pm - Reply

        Thanks Vadim. That helps. Whenever I do IEAOUMS mantra I can remember my dreams more clearly. I just do the sounds without any imaginations or thoughts of chakras but I do concentrate on those particular areas as told by teacher Samael. Thank you again

      • Sangita November 9, 2016 at 10:57 am - Reply

        Today our yoga teacher asked us each to chant AUM mantra. Then my doubts were claeared about A. He told it’s not full mouth open AAA sound but small mouth open AAA sound like that of burping. So this tells that the A sound below navel(yoga Aum) is different from A sound at lungs(gnosis). Just wanted to share :-).

        • Vadim November 9, 2016 at 11:42 am - Reply

          Thank you Sangita 🙂

        • Frosted November 22, 2016 at 8:20 am - Reply


          Thank You for bringing this up and Angela. thank you, thank you and thank you.

          I am going to dob myself in. From late 2013 to September 2015 I attended classes from a “we only believe in the works of Samael Aun Weor” school only. To avoid an us versus them argument I will skip straight o the I E A OU MS mantra.

          This mantra has become a cancer and spreading like wildfire. These groups use this “mantra’ as the be all and end all of gnosis.

          Angela, I was taught by Mark in class at Bondi before the Mil Hill centre from late 1996 to early 1998. Mark carefully taught us that you should only use one practice at a time and to keep it simple. For example, simply quieting the body and mind should begin with 5, 10 and then 15 minutes over a 2 to 4 week period. Some practices take longer. No matter what practice that you have decided to do, he told me to build towards it and then be wary that you do not end up doing it by rote.

          These groups use the I E A OU M and S mantra as a religion and it is spreading everywhere. The falsehoods are that eventually you can:
          1 – Spin the chakras correctly .. that is clockwise
          2- The Chakras will open up if you stay focussed and adhere to this mantra
          3- You will receive spiritual gifts, i.e, clairvoyance, clairaudience, can see into heaven or hell

          One student has been, and still does this practice everyday for the last 6 years and feels “great.” He has not managed to do any of the 3 pints above. The person next to me asked me how Mark taught this practice. I said he didn’t. I re-affirmed what I said, Mark taught us to have a plan but adhere to one practice and to do it well. I added that Mark differentiated between a visualisation and vocalisation. For example, if you are to quiet the mind, then quiet the mind.

          On another occasion I asked one of these “advanced students” when do we get to the daily observation, that is, you go home and initially start off with observing yourself daily from the perspective of ego. The answer was the same, do the I E A O U MS practice as this will earn you great spiritual rewards. I added, yeah that’s all great but how do you differentiate between a practice, that involves a visualisation; a meditation; a vocalisation, the alchemy etc. The answer was always the same you do the I E A O U M and S first.

          One other person added ” I visualise the chakra opening up at the base of my spine when I do the S. I asked “so you mix and match” and further explained how you can be exclusively focussing on the Sssss and visualising the chakra opening up. In fact how do you visualise a chakra opening up? ANSWER – Picture a flower opening up. My reply, that is a just picturing a flower opening up, what does that have to do with opening up a chakra and allegedly receiving clairvoyance. I advised the guy who had been practising for 6 years that He can practice for 6 lifetimes and that no chakra will open up by visualising a flower and sounding like a snake.

          Everyone, BE CAREFUL as there are many who will lead you astray. Visualising about chakras as Angela says will lead you astray and in the realms of fantasy and delusion.

          • Martin November 28, 2016 at 8:59 am

            Thanks for sharing Frosted

    • Angela Pritchard November 8, 2016 at 8:02 am - Reply

      Mark doesn’t teach about chakras, as although using mantras as part of a spiritual practice is very beneficial, the idea of chakras can open the door to fantasy, as when it comes to chakras you’ll find many people talking with assurance about things they haven’t experienced, and can spend a lot of time on distractions that are irrelevant to the work.

      • DavidP November 8, 2016 at 10:28 am - Reply

        Thanks for pointing those things out Angela. It seems to be a trap that people can fall into which Mark wisely and caringly hopes to avoid.
        Hopefully for those of us who have been around a while, the old ways can be left behind and the path newly explained by Mark can be walked to each of our spiritual sons/suns.

      • Vadim November 8, 2016 at 2:13 pm - Reply

        Yes, this is very true what you say Angela, thank you for sharing.

      • richard spencer November 9, 2016 at 8:42 am - Reply

        Thanks Angela for pointing this out, I can see it is something that we really need to be on guard to see and to be aware of, as the mind can distort what is really going on and what spirituality is all about, I hope for that deeper understanding

      • Daniel L November 10, 2016 at 3:06 am - Reply

        Which Mantras does Mark teach or recommend (if any)?

        • Angela Pritchard November 10, 2016 at 9:08 am - Reply

          Hi Daniel,

          Mantras are a very helpful spiritual exercise to do when used in conjunction with this work. There are almost countless mantras – many of which are more modern inventions. Mark recommends those however, which are part of the religion of the sun and come from genuinely ancient and spiritual sources. The mantra Om is one good example. Some of these are used in the solstice and equinox ceremonies from the book The Path of the Spiritual Sun. For those who have a copy, you’ll find them listed on a special resources page on this website. There are many others however; over time, we hope to add more, and also see more discovered as part of the research on the Spiritual Sun website.

          • Paty November 10, 2016 at 12:26 pm

            Thank you Angela.

        • sangita December 19, 2016 at 9:39 am - Reply

          In his book “Secret Knowledge and Hidden Wisdom” Page 168, when Belsebuub explains the process of sexual alchemy, the fundamental mantra of alchemy is mentioned as I.A.O and it is to be done after both partners have asked Mother for ego disintegration.

    • Angela Pritchard November 13, 2016 at 4:48 am - Reply

      I just thought it worth pointing out a few other things since this has come up.

      Practicing mantras is good, but it can create a kind of self-deception. We can feel more spiritual because we do mantra practices. This goes for other practices like astral projection, any kind of meditation, or any type of exercise practice like yoga as well. However, the main thing in life and in this work is not to be evil, negative, or look to hurt others. So while these practices can help raise our inner state temporarily or give us a bit of knowledge, they don’t change us psychologically one bit. That is why people can remain fundamentally negative and hurtful as people, and do loads of spiritual practices, feeling as though they are “spiritual.” In the Dialouge of the Saviour, Jesus was asked “what is the beginning of the way?”. His answer was “Love and goodness.” Similarly, Lao-Tzu has said “the practice of undiscriminating virtue.” Note they didn’t say mantras. They help with raising our state so that we feel more inclined to change inwardly, but they don’t change us inwardly. You can see how easy it is then for mantras and other spiritual exercises to become a cover for ignorance and inner negativity.

      That said, there are Gnostic groups out there that use the work of Samael Aun Weor, and while they practice all the spiritual exercises he gave, even the ones he retracted, many people who attend those groups have acted with nothing but negativity and harm towards us. We don’t wish to have anything to do with people like that, and therefore people who attend, are affiliated with, or follow in any way those Gnostic groups, as their actions have resulted in nothing but harm to people trying to do this work. How many years have we spent having to deal with their attacks and plagiarism, when we could have spent that time helping others and even doing beneficial practices ourselves. What we do is not compatible, related to, or complimentary in any way to what they do. If you are with them in any way, you are on a different track altogether. Our terms of service state that you cannot post on this site if you are affiliated with any of those groups.

      I am therefore asking, that if you are affiliated with these groups in any way, to please not post on this site, or to donate to any of our projects, or to associate with us in any way.

      • Craig November 13, 2016 at 8:32 am - Reply

        Thank you for posting this Angela.

      • Fotis November 13, 2016 at 10:09 am - Reply

        Hi Angela
        You brought up some very serious issues and I thank you for that.

        About mantras I very agree that can widely be used for “spiritual consumption”, to “feel good” as you had said another time, and not as a support tool for spiritual change.
        There is a lot of “magic” into mysticism that is very attractive and I have also delved into that pleasure sometimes and probably gave me more faith in the existence of the wider and multidimensional world. Which later fades out if at the meantime, there aren’t more experiences.

      • Paty November 13, 2016 at 1:00 pm - Reply

        Angela, thanks very much for your additional comments on mantras. I can very much relate to what you have said in that mantras can only give temporary feeling of lightness and harmony, but it does not change us fundamentally. In the beginning, I used to think that this was kind of enough. Over time I came to realise what you have shared with us.

        So for example, I would do mantra in the morning as I tend to struggle with strong emotions in the mornings and I would do this hoping that it would mark the tone for the rest of the day, naively expecting hat it remain with me the whole day. But of course, because I wasn’t in awareness or self observing it would take the slightest negative interaction for those feelings of calm to be lost for the rest of the day. This was a difficult lesson to learn!

        Again thank you very much for sharing this clarification; it is greatly needed.

      • Sabah November 13, 2016 at 1:24 pm - Reply

        I appreciate you raising these points Angela and feel they are really worth reflecting on. From my perspective, I have seen how easy it is to confuse real spiritual change with the success or frequency of spiritual practices, and how easy it is to feel proud or more ‘spiritual’ after having mystical experiences or insights. What I’ve come to realise is that many experiences are given as a help from above to anyone who tries, and have very little to do with how worthy a person is, but it’s through divine grace. But the egos can use them to feed all sorts of ideas about ourselves, and I find it’s much easier to focus on practices that make you feel good rather than face the difficult situations you need to in order to learn about and overcome your egos.

        I deeply appreciate all the work Mark has done and continues to do to make the spiritual path as simple and clear as possible, so literally anyone can understand it and start doing it if they’re interested. Without this guidance I know I would have wasted a lot of time with distractions, pursuing an idea of spirituality but not actually doing anything to try to increase goodness, care, and love inside.

        I have witnessed firsthand the disrespect, hostility, and in many cases seething hatred that some individuals who align/associate themselves with other Gnostic groups have towards Mark and his work, even though he has done nothing to them nor wishes to have anything to do with them. I have also seen the duplicity of some people who denounce Mark and his work on one hand or align to those that do, while on the other hand take his work and pass it off as their own. Associating with this I feel is in complete contradiction to the gentle and sincere spirituality that Mark teaches and lives by. So I fully support what you are saying and hope that anyone who is affiliated with those other groups please respect this request.

        • Michael November 14, 2016 at 9:36 am - Reply

          Hi Sabah,

          I think you made an important point when you said “it’s much easier to focus on practices that make you feel good rather than face the difficult situations you need in order to learn about and overcome your egos”. I guess that’s why “feel good” commercial spirituality is so popular these days, as most people prefer not to look too deeply within or go through difficulties.

          It is a real pity that there isn’t a wider interest in these teaching in the world, as the level of knowledge contained within them is unmatched in recent history. I’m sure I would have ended up in the situation you described, if I had not been fortunate enough to find these teachings and start trying to practice them – pursuing spiritual ideas without actually doing anything to bring about fundamental change within.

        • john p November 15, 2016 at 10:56 pm - Reply

          Thanks Sabah, I agree with Michael that you’ve brought forward some very important points.

          I’ve come to understand that I’m nothing without “Divine Grace”, well put 🙂
          Without the help of the Divine I’m a negative mess internally, and completely hypnotized by my egos which can only cause harm.

      • Matthew November 13, 2016 at 2:11 pm - Reply

        Thanks for explaining that Angela. It’s good to be clear about what Mark’s work is and is not. Everyone has the freedom to follow whatever spiritual teachings they want of course, but this site is for his work. And what his work contains speaks for itself. The new insights and unchartered territory he is unveiling is incredible.

        I understand the unfortunate reality that has given rise to this site’s terms of use. It’s a sad state of affairs where people aligned with other Gnostic groups have behaved with so much hostility towards Mark over the years. It always dismayed me how people could be so hurtful to others who were doing nothing whatsoever to them. Mark never attacked or undermined other Gnostic organizations. Yet people who claimed to follow Samael Aun Weor frequently denigrated him, those around him, and tried to undermine his work – even though a major aspect Samael Aun Weor taught was the need to respect the free will of others.

        I think the points you raised about love and goodness being at the heart of spirituality, rather than mystical practices like mantras (useful though they are) is so important. It reminds me of that part in the Gospels where the Disciples were arguing about who is the greatest among them and Jesus calls a child to him and answers them, “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven”.

        I really appreciate the clarity with which Mark explains things. It seems to me he wants to really ensure we don’t fall into the many snares and stumbling blocks that can side-track anyone attempting a spiritual work. Of course, whether anyone accepts or wants what he is offering or not is up to them; but if they do not want it or agree with it, I hope they can respect your request. Because whatever our spiritual beliefs or preferences may be, I would hope we can all agree that respect for others is essential.

      • Jenny November 13, 2016 at 3:03 pm - Reply

        Thanks Angela for your posts in this thread. Your posts have brought clarity and perspective, and are worth reflecting on.

        Mark’s work has grown and moved on as he has gone further with his own spiritual work and experience. It’s incredible what he has uncovered with the ancient religion of the sun, with what he writes in Path of the Spiritual Sun. There is so much yet to be released of his new work. We are working to release an updated version of Self-Knowledge for Spiritual Awakening , and Mark is working on a series of books which will go into depth about the process of spiritual transformation.

        I support the request you have made to people out there that are participating or contributing to this site or our other projects but are affiliated with Gnostic groups that have attacked Mark. Although Mark has not wanted to have anything to do with those Gnostic groups, they have been extremely negative towards him and have attacked him for years. I have also seen and had to deal with Gnostic groups that use Mark’s work without permission nor credit him when they teach or give parts of Mark’s work. There is reason for this being part of the site’s terms of use, and I do hope people respect this request.

      • Karim November 13, 2016 at 3:12 pm - Reply

        Thanks Angela.

        About mantras. Personally I have used it as a great tool for lifting my inner state temporarily, and the mantras which are more like prayers as a beautiful and powerful form to pray. But always with the understanding that the boost of mantras was ‘in order to ….’. To give some strength and aid the lucidity of consciousness, to help better observe within for example.
        I say always but actually :), in thinking back, initially I also used it as a sort of ‘escape.’ Feeling very negative perhaps and locking myself in my room to do a mantra until I felt good. But over time I’ve come to see that that’s not the same as taking the specific steps to change it within and learn about the situation, which is the way to actually gain something within.

        On the need for goodness as a starting point. I saw a documentary about hypnotism recently. One hypnotist stood out particularly, he had set up the conditions around him and in himself of a charismatic celebrity ‘spiritual’ figure, mesmerizing his audiences completely (in fact he was actually using hypnotism on them.) Although the stated goal and service was to help people get rich, it seemed to me that all of it really was for the purpose of making people buy his products, to make money. I was very curious about how his techniques operated from a psychological point of view. What I noticed was that this person actually had a very good level of self-knowledge. And he was, along with specific techniques, using that knowledge to hypnotise and influence people. Using his power on less comprehending people actually felt very dark.
        It’s a bit off-topic but to me it really shows we need to genuinely and primarily want to be good as a first, as our basis. And build on that.

        Another thing on mantras. One trend I’ve noticed, although I wouldn’t say I have a complete view of it and maybe someone else has more insights, is the conviction that by chanting certain mantras it will bring about changes and improvements in one’s life. And I have wondered to what extent? 1. The flaw in wanting to use mantras to bring money and such to oneself, as you can sometimes see promoted on youtube, seems obvious. 2. But there are also people who’ve claimed and believe that by doing a certain sacred mantra a lot that their life and circumstances have changed for the better. I was thinking that, with these mantras being like prayers, people can get listened to and helped etc. 3. But this believe sometimes also crosses over into thinking that chanting mantras is a way to make progress in a spiritual sense. But in my opinion that’s a dangerous believe.

        But I don’t mean to detract from Angela’s points by repeating it in a less clear way. 🙂 The way you explained your points makes the issues very clear. Thank you!

      • Nathan November 13, 2016 at 4:53 pm - Reply

        Thanks for clarifying that Angela. I’ve also noticed that tendency to try to become an “experience collector” with this work, which doesn’t really contribute too much towards actual progress (asides from motivation to move forward as you pointed out, but I’ve found this can dissipate away unless there’s actual steps to move forward taken afterwards).

        I remember a number of years ago once praying to spiritual beings for help to have an astral experience to help me with some circumstances in my life, and having this feeling wash over me that I was missing the point. I was looking to get information about something external to help me tackle those circumstances, when at the time what I really needed to do was to change.

        I also appreciate what Mark is doing to emphasise the most important parts of the work. I think a sign of a living master is being able to wisely guide things in ‘real time’, teaching according to the biggest needs of humanity at that point in time.

      • Olga November 13, 2016 at 5:10 pm - Reply

        Thank you so much for your comment Angela, the work to not be evil, to not do harm to others, to not purposefully hurt or throw negativity upon others, is profoundly vast and precise to the smallest thought and feeling. Thank you both so much, for always being there for us, to highlight the distractions and deceptions that present themselves to those wishing to seriously do the spiritual work. Lately this notion of feeling good, superior, and above anything or anyone has pointed itself to be one of the greatest and sneakiest deceptions for true and honest change. While I enjoy the relief and soothing balm of spiritual activity, I have found a much greater depth of learning and growing from the events of every day life, and my attitude in everything I do.

        I also echo and support your request to disengage from anyone harming Mark’s work. I have also personally witnessed an intense hatred from some Gnostic groups who were against Mark and anyone who practiced anything different from them. This message of love that is present in so many sacred religions, is obviously empty without a true inward change and the courage to face one’s own anger and pride.

      • Tina November 13, 2016 at 6:27 pm - Reply

        Thanks for clarifying this Angela. I feel that what you said about what is important in the spiritual practice is very important for all of us to know because I can see that we can be trapped by our thinking that we are good because we are practising this and that practice when in reality we shout and are not nice to one another. .

      • Jenny November 13, 2016 at 10:50 pm - Reply

        Thank you for these reminders, Angela. I was actually just re-reading some of Samael’s work recently, thinking what a deep teaching he imparted, and how sad that it’s sometimes so misused through hostility, negativity, and disrespect for others “in the name of good” — and his work has not even been around a century without it already being turned into its own antithesis in some ways.

        It appears so easy for us to take a message of goodness and completely destroy it, and even use it to bring others down. I definitely wouldn’t want to see that happening with the work Mark is bringing forward currently.

        Sometimes it seems that out of good intentions people are trying to merge it with other teachings, make it fit into other schools of thought, and inadvertently meld it into something it is not. But the teaching he has to offer is something different and unique, and I have the sense we haven’t even really “seen” it yet — I don’t see a need to try and work it into other frameworks, schools of thought, or traditions, nor create “teacher clashes”, etc.

      • Layla November 14, 2016 at 5:12 am - Reply

        Hi Angela

        Those are great points.

        I was reflecting on this situation this morning and what came to my mind was ‘the living word’
        If we only see the ‘ink’ then that is all we become; born in time, exists in time and perishes in time, serving only to be something of time, as ink on paper. But those who find the ‘living word’ and become the living word are not bound by the ink but the eternal word that is ever living and ever unfolding according to the living of the word.

        I think people sometimes choose to be just see the ink, and are confined by the limitations of that choice. Some may consider themselves the ink in a whole book, others the ink in one chapter, and worse if our rigidity has confined us to the morbidity of the ink of just one word; and like this we can’t see what came before and what came after, let alone that if anything else exists.

        If we don’t make ourselves the eyes to see and the ears to hear, we will only see the ink and never live the word, understand its meaning or unfold its purpose in every living way. Then, as the ink, we become incongruent with the living word, as one is dead and the other is alive.

        The ink by which the living word is written I liken to serve more as a holograph (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holography) that exists for those seeking to find, live and become the living word themselves, but in itself is not the living word. The living word isn’t confined to the ink for its expression and presence it can express itself in any living and unfolding way since it is alive and in the eternal moment; the word is with those who live it and not the ink.

        This then reminded me of the teachings in Genesis:

        “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.”

        I sincerely hope your message is respected and upheld in every way.

        • Olga November 14, 2016 at 9:14 am - Reply

          Thank you Layla for sharing. I really like the analogy you made with the ink and the word. It made me appreciate the passage from Genesis in a new light, and see how it is possible to undervalue the word when it is not truly living in our lives, while also existing in some what of a skewed religiously devoted reality. The word, and the teachings that have come forth indeed are sacred and invaluable, but as people we need to do so much more with them then allow them to be contained within the two dimensional limits of sheets of paper.

          It is always the aim to make the work alive and real, like flesh and bone, burning in our hearts, and not restricted to a temporary memory of something written or told to us, but alive, through the action of constant personal growth, learning, understanding, changing, transcending and overcoming.

          “All theory, dear friend, is gray, but the golden tree of life springs ever green.” – Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

        • Michael November 14, 2016 at 6:07 pm - Reply

          Hi Layla,

          I think you made some very good points with this analogy. It’s unfortunate that so many people take the printed word as the knowledge itself, rather than the personal inner experience that is gained through applying the guidance to our daily lives. Samael Aun Weor himself said “do not follow me. I am just a signpost. Reach your own self-realization.” Mark also expressed a similar sentiment in one of his talks, where he said “don’t take my word for it, walk along the path – do it, it’s the only way you’re going to find out about it. Sitting around believing in one thing or another will not get you there”.

          It’s so easy for those of us interested in exploring the esoteric side of life to become fanatics, without realising it. No doubt I also have my own hidden beliefs that have built up over the years, but I think it’s so important to keep things practical and realistic, and to use common sense in what we do. I’ve seen how easy it is for supplementary practices and ideas to become our main focus, at the expense of doing the real work to change. We can then easily create superstitions and anxieties around doing things in a particular way. For example, we could spend time calculating the Kabbalistic value of each day of the year or drawing up charts of the moon cycles and plan our lives around those things, only being active on days we feel are favourable esoterically. But this can then detract from the need to be fully active in our spiritual lives at every moment of every day.

          I’m not saying that there isn’t a value in ritual and symbolism, or that certain things shouldn’t be respected. For example, I remember being instinctively repelled and feeling very uneasy as a boy when I saw an image of an inverted cross. But I think it’s important to prioritise what we devote our lives to, as the time we have in this world is so precious and limited and the urgency of profound and significant change is huge.

          I think the danger of going off track can be amplified when we don’t have a basic level of self-knowledge or understanding or why we’re doing what we do. This is certainly something that I have experienced. Before I found the teachings, I was trying out a few spiritual things and paid to be taught a particular mantra technique. I found the technique beneficial and wanted to do it correctly, but because there were various restrictions around when and how to do it, I often skipped doing the practice in order to be on the safe side. And as I didn’t know the much more powerful technique to eliminate the egos at that time, which forms a fundamental part of the teachings on this website, I would get into agitated states, which I felt I couldn’t get away from until I got home and could do the mantra with all the correct conditions in place – making sure I didn’t drink caffeine or eat an hour before it and that I rested sufficiently after it, etc.

          The fact that we can so easily create a religion out of esoteric things seems to be indicative of the tendency of many of us to avoid the hard work of facing and removing our egos, which involves going through serious difficulties in order to see what’s hidden within us. It’s so much easier to slide into the comfort of repeating things in a certain way. As the egos like to perpetuate themselves, of course they will then oppose any new information that indicates the things we have been devoting our lives to are not actually leading us towards the awakening.

          Clinging onto the ways of the past can be a real stoppage to progress, particularly if doing so blinds us to the new. Of course, Samael did a great service to humanity in making the gnostic teachings public and left a valuable legacy in the books he recommended in his later years, and an even more valuable legacy through his successors, who continued his work and lineage. But it doesn’t make sense to cling onto what is now an incomplete and sometimes inaccurate guide, when further clarification has been made to it. This seems rather like rigidly following an outdated manual for how to use an appliance, which has been found to have some faults in it, when an updated and easier-to-understand manual has since been issued for a new and improved model.

          I am reminded of the conversation between Jesus and Peter in The Apocalypse of Peter, where Jesus comments “those who became mingled with these shall become their prisoners, since they are without perception…And they will cleave to the name of a dead man, thinking that they will become pure. But they will become greatly defiled and they will fall into a name of error…For some of them will blaspheme the truth and proclaim evil teaching. And they will say evil things against each other…But many others, who oppose the truth and are the messengers of error, will set up their error and their law against these pure thoughts of mine, as looking out from one (perspective) thinking that good and evil are from one (source).” Mark gives some very valuable points on this text in his commentary on this text from the Nag Hammadi Library in the talk below, which are worthy of reflection and are very related to what has been discussed so far: https://www.belsebuub.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Belsebuub-weekly-talk-The-Apocalypse-of-Peter-part2_edited_22Nov08.mp3

          Fortunately, through his experience of walking the esoteric path, Mark has also shown that although only a small number of people may wish to take up this work seriously, the efforts of those few can still have a significant impact. I would also like to add that the work I have seen you and others at MLP doing over recent years is a great example of putting the principles of correct action into practice. The same can be said for those who have supported the resulting projects and publications, as well as those involved with the wonderful new websites that are connected with this site and serve to pass on the message of the spiritual sun, which Mark teaches.

          • Michael November 23, 2016 at 5:38 pm

            I thought it may be worthwhile clarifying a comment I made about fanaticism, as the way I expressed it may have appeared like I was criticising those of us who take seriously the need to protect ourselves from dark forces, which was certainly not my intention. I would definitely agree that we need to be mindful of the influences around us and to act responsibly to protect ourselves from them. It is also important to be aware of esoteric symbols, as many have the power to attract forces of light or of darkness, depending on how they are used. The misuse of these symbols in modern society has been outlined in more detail in these articles, which are well worth revisiting:

            The point I was trying to make was more about the need to maintain common sense in our spiritual lives and to try and to assess each circumstance with as much consciousness as we can, as we can easily make mistakes if we try to apply a particular belief system to every event in our lives. Of course, it’s vital to be aware of the influences around us, to work for the light and to counter the darkness in the world, but if we don’t maintain objectivity, it’s possible for this diligence and alertness to begin to mutate, so that we build up superstitions and anxieties, where we may expect negative things to happen at certain times or if we don’t do things in a particular way, which can then become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Theoretically, we could even start to avoid leaving home on certain days, in case something bad happens, or break contact with family members whose date of birth adds up to a negative number.

            To give a personal example of wrongly applying a spiritual belief, I had an interest in Buddhism before I found these teachings and wanted to live by the principle of truthfulness, which forms one of its precepts. However, while this is an important spiritual principle to uphold, the way I applied it was rather like a “one size fits all approach” and sometimes clouded my judgement. For example, there are circumstances where it may be harmful to pass on certain information to someone, as it may cause them distress, or because they may use it for negative purposes. I remember learning about the philosopher Immanuel Kant, who believed that the principle of truth was so important to uphold that if an axe murderer were to enquire about the location of his would-be victim, it would be our duty to inform him. This extreme example is an indication of how far our judgement can be clouded by rigidly applying a particular doctrine to our lives, but it is unfortunately along the continuum of what has happened to some gnostic practitioners, who by upholding what they feel is right have caused great harm to others and to the light itself.

            If we are not careful, it’s also easy for us to allow the boundaries between our own esoteric experiences to become blurred with knowledge that has been passed onto us by others. We may then start to speak with authority and confidence about things which we have no real experience of, however true these things may be. When we gain a benefit from something, it is natural to want to pass it onto others, but sometimes we can also become evangelical in trying to persuade people to take up this work who have no interest in it. Again, this is something I observed in myself when I first discovered these teachings, as I was so pleased to have found something that explained what I had been searching for that I wanted to share it with people around me. But I didn’t always take into account people’s free will and variations in their capacity to understand spiritual matters.

            This is why Belsebuub’s practical approach to esoteric investigation continues to resonate with me, as he has shown how it’s possible to gain an extremely high level of esoteric knowledge and experience, which is unmatched in the world, through objective personal investigation. His common-sense approach to dedicated and committed spiritual development is certainly something to aspire towards.

        • john p November 16, 2016 at 10:19 am - Reply

          Hi Layla,

          Your analogy is brilliant, thanks for sharing.

      • Michael November 14, 2016 at 8:03 am - Reply

        Hi Angela,

        Thank you for clarifying your and Mark’s position on the issues, which have been discussed here. I can understand the need to do this, as you must both be acutely aware of how limited everyone’s time is and the importance of using it effectively and wisely. This sense of urgency must be all the more pressing in Mark’s case, due to his level of first-hand experience in seeing exactly what awaits those who don’t do the work to transform themselves.

        I remember the astral courses at TGM were usually crowd-pleasers and in fact the first TGM course I took was the astral one. Although the astral can be a great source of knowledge, if we have the right level of consciousness to explore it clearly and accurately, I have noticed that those whose main interest was in the astral tended to drift away from the teachings over the years, as their curiosity about the astral was not matched by a similar dedication to inner change and gaining self-knowledge.

        In Mark’s talks, he often highlights the primary importance of doing the real inner work with the three fundamental keys to awaken, above any other spiritual practice. I also remember a discussion the two of you had in a talk, where Mark mentioned that love is the highest force and yet in religions there is so much hatred. Unfortunately this has been the case within the gnostic-based religions, which Samael left behind, the followers of which are unable to comprehend the new and will vehemently oppose the new.

        Similarly to the quote from the Dialogue of the Saviour, which you mentioned, the gospel writers of The New Testament also document the level of importance that Jesus placed on love. For example, in Matthew 22:36-40: “Jesus replied: ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind’. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself’. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.’”

      • richard spencer November 14, 2016 at 9:04 am - Reply

        Thanks Angela for clarifying and what you say really makes sense

      • Lucia November 14, 2016 at 1:46 pm - Reply

        Thank you very much Angela for all these clarifications and insights. I find it so very sad that Samael’s teachings ended up in this way – serving as a doctrine to all kinds of fanatical people who also wish to do harm and steal the content from Belsebuub. I have a great admiration for him and could feel his love and seriousness during a few astral experiences I had. How awful he must feel to see his legacy to be distorted in this way… 🙁

        I also apologize for posting a link a while ago to one of such websites (trying to illustrate something Samael mentioned that I have been pondering for a while). I had no idea that it was linked to these kind of people. Its crazy how many of these groups exist and they literally seem to have hijacked all Samael’s materials online.

      • Jordan November 14, 2016 at 3:17 pm - Reply

        It’s unfortunate it had to come to this once again, but good to have things clearly spelled out. Having witnessed or been involved in dealing with many such incidents over the years in various places, I can totally emphasize with the position you’ve taken on this site, which is definitely to the benefit of those who are actually interested in what the site has to offer.

        Also, the point you brought up about the crux of what this work that Mark is and has been uncovering (“the main thing in life and in this work is not to be evil, negative, or look to hurt others”) is really, really spot on. It’s so simple yet so important, and I can only speak for myself here, but I think it’s definitely worth seriously reflecting upon.

      • john p November 15, 2016 at 12:01 am - Reply

        Hi Angela,

        Thanks for the clarifications on spiritual practices, it now makes complete sense to me. A few years ago, I decided to cut right back on spiritual practices and I decided to focus on the 3 keys. With my limited understanding, I’ve discovered that this approach to the inner work has been totally essential for a true understanding.

        I’ve also witnessed and have been involved in dealing with so many wrong actions from other Gnostic groups who are against and have chosen to maliciously harm Belsebuub and us, therefore I totally support your comment and actions Angela. These actions are so needed prevent any further harm to Besebuub and all spiritual seekers who have chosen this direction for the great work to Awaken.

      • Martin November 15, 2016 at 7:22 am - Reply

        Hello Angela,

        Thanks so much for sharing your views. It is strange that Samaels teachings are being used by some to the detriment of peoples spiritual work considering what he taught.

        Ironically, I’ve come across some horrible insults towards people who are attempting to become spiritual from some one who claimed to be in a spiritual group. It shows what they really think of people who are trying to change and proper teachers like Mark. Therefore I fully support your call for people involved in Gnostic groups that are being negative towards Mark to NOT post on or affiliate with this site.

      • Eva November 15, 2016 at 2:11 pm - Reply

        Angela, thank you. It was very helpful to read these clarifications on the spiritual work and on how time is such a factor.

        I also wanted to voice my support for your request that people associated with those groups not post here or support your projects. I hope that they will understand and respect your request. I also hope that all of those who continue to make such attacks and those who plagiarize Belsebuub’s and your work will stop completely.

        I appreciate the work that you and Belsebuub are doing here very much and wish you much success as you continue to show the way forward.

      • Cliff November 15, 2016 at 3:23 pm - Reply

        Reflecting on this thread has been very valuable. Its a visual representation of how important it is to be open to the new and not locked in old ideas or ways of doing things. In your post Angela, and Mark’s continual refinements of his teachings, I can see past mistakes laid bare and the right way becoming even simpler to understand. Its incredible how clearly Mark is laying out the path for us to follow, clearer and simpler with each message he shares.

        Its terribly sad what you and Mark have been through, years and years of anonymous spiteful and evil trolling that almost destroyed everything Mark built. I hope in future all who visit this site respect its terms and conditions, and your most recent request, so that you are no longer tormented and Marks message is able to flourish.

        What is heartening, is to see the support your post has drawn. I hope we all grow in our understanding of responsibility and have the strength and courage to defend Marks work no matter what may come. Thank you

        • Patricia November 16, 2016 at 3:07 am - Reply

          Well said Cliff. I hope people do respect the terms of use set out for this website and the material obtained from it. After taking a more thorough look, I found the rules and standards outlined in the terms to be clear and reasonable as to avoid any misconduct or abuse against the authors and their work and rightfully so.

          Unfortunately we’ve already seen the results of Samael’s work being abused in this day and age but we shouldn’t let the same tragedy repeat with Belsebuub’s which is why the fight against plagiarism is extremely important now more then ever, while we still have the little time left to do something about it.

      • Geraldine November 15, 2016 at 3:59 pm - Reply

        Hi Angela,
        I think what you have brought up is so important – Mark over the years has given guidance repeatedly on how to avoid the many traps that we can fall into without realizing due to various issues, such as fantasy. This one in particular about not confusing spiritual practice or our aptitude with them with psychological transformation, is clearly a big one, which you had addressed just about a year ago in this blog post: https://belsebuub.com/without-spiritual-crutches

        In his work, Mark has talked continuously for so many years about the importance for respect for others, respecting free will and to never give into ill will or act with negativity toward others. His work is one of love, which like you write so succinctly comes down to “not to be evil, negative, or look to hurt others”.

        Which is why I also fully support your simple request for people who associates themselves with these gnostic groups who have looked to impose, disrupt, bring about negativity and divisions, and blatantly attacked while at the same time copied and plagiarised Mark’s work not to come here to post or affiliate themselves with Belsebuub in any way – because it is completely contradictory and incompatible to this work based on love.

      • chris scott November 16, 2016 at 11:18 am - Reply

        Hi angela,

        Thankyou so much for clarifying these important points.

        It resonates with me deeply to hear belsebuub wishes to give this information as clear and accurate as possible.

        This is definitely evident in all the teachings and information given on this website. Considering time is limited, we are very fortunate to have access to this valuable clear information and must keep it preserved.

        You mention many spiritual practices can sometimes create a type of “self deception” of feeling “spiritual”. I have observed this within myself at times and can see how this can be a big trap. I really like the emphasis you have placed on this work ~ “Not to be evil, negative or to hurt others” and instead replace it with “love and goodness”.

        I must admit i have never read the terms of use on this website. After reading this i made sure i thoroughly went through it. I completely agree and support your request! It is very sad to hear the time spent defending the attacks and plagirism, I’m sure it would have gone to much better use for the service of humanity.

      • David November 16, 2016 at 2:08 pm - Reply

        Thanks Angela, it makes a lot of sense that because time is going so fast and is limited we should focus on the most important fundamental things for inner change and goodness, and be on the lookout for misinformation, distractions or getting caught in thinking that we are spiritual or doing a spiritual work just because we might be doing practices.

        It’s very sad how over the years Belsebuub and the work he has done have had so much negativity and hatred directed towards them by gnostic groups and the people in them, and then bizarrely his work copied at the same time as being denigrated. It always struck me that despite having frequent negativity directed towards him it was never returned, and it really showed me I was in the right place.

        People thinking they can attend or learn from those groups, but also wanting to learn from Belsebuub at the same time is a massive conflict of interest. Imagine letting someone who was deliberately hurting people or things you cared about into your life, befriending them, trying to learn from them. It doesn’t make any sense.

        Hopefully your post and the other comments by Sabah, Matthew, Jenny, John and others will make the situation clear to anyone who may not know so much of what has gone on with those groups attempting to undermine and damage Belsebuub’s work, and why the two are incompatible. I definitely support your request that anyone attending or affiliated with those groups abide by the terms of service here and not post on this site or get involved in any of the projects, and ask that those wishes are please listened too.

      • Sangita December 18, 2016 at 10:19 pm - Reply

        Thank you Frosted and Angela. I did not know there was so much around this. I came to know about this mantra and others through Belsebuub’s old site and Samuel Aun Weor’s book. No where in the site or the book was any kind of visualisation or chakra stuff was mentioned. Only the location to concentrate on. For me IEAOUMS only helps in remembering dreams better. I do not do any visualisation neither am I crazy to think that mantras can take you to enlightenment or chakra openings. Just like Belsebuub’s old site had listed and had audio recording with his voice of other mantras like Egypto, Raom-Gaom etc this was one of them as far as I remember. I may be wrong, but no way to check as the old site is no more there. Anyways why my question lead to chakra topic although I never mentioned about chakras I do not understand. I am in no way affiliated with any groups or have attended any classes by anyone including Belsebuub. Infact I do not even visit any other sites relevant to this path other than belsebuub.com. I understand your hurt but please do not look at me or anyone else who raises genuine questions with enmity or suspicion or clouded judgments.

        • Vadim December 19, 2016 at 5:01 am - Reply

          Perhaps it could be important here to draw the differences between visualization of symbols, imagining things with the mind and the faculty of clairvoyance.

          In the Gnostic Movement, we were taught to visualize the disk spinning clockwise around the heart chakra while doing the mantra “O”. Some instructors mentioned the possibility of visualizing other symbolic things such as lotus spinning, adding colours to vizualization, etc. Visualization was used there as a tool to deepen the practice.

          The mantra “IEOUA” was taught to be done without visualization.

          If one tries to imagine their chakra with their mind, then they can create artificial things with their mind, (astral things that are not there), which could have a negative effect. This seems to be a problem here.

          If one has opened their clairvoyance with mantras or other practices, they might naturally see their chakra as it really is, instead of imagining things with the mind.

          Hope it can be of some help,

        • Matthew December 19, 2016 at 1:49 pm - Reply

          I think you might have taken Angela’s comment the wrong way and much too personally Sangita. There was no enmity in it towards you or anyone else. She simply made a helpful comment concerning matters which cropped up in a conversation involving a number of people, and things were clarified for everyone’s general benefit.

          The matter of mantras and chakras were raised by a number of different people in this comment thread and Angela simply clarified Mark’s position on them now. She specifically pointed out what Mark recommends in his current teachings, which is what’s on this website now, rather than the past. His teachings have developed over the years as he has gained more experience and knowledge, and like others, I personally found those updates and clarifications very useful. I feel it allows those of us who wish to be part of the new to avoid getting stuck in the past, approach things in the best way and focus on what matters most.

          If you are not affiliated with those other groups or sites like you say then there’s no need to take anything personally or get defensive. Those terms of use that were mentioned are nothing new; they’ve (sadly) had to be part of this site for a long time due to the malicious behaviour of certain people who’ve unfortunately lost track of what spirituality is about. It’s good for all us to remember the need for those terms and be reminded about the fundamental principle of love at the heart of spirituality so we don’t get side-tracked and lose sight of what matters most.

          It’s also good to understand how Belsebuub’s work has grown and developed, so we can move with it as it develops and approach it in the best way, if that’s what we’re interested in. That what’s this site is here for after all.

          Wish you all the best in your spiritual pursuits.

          • john perez December 20, 2016 at 9:59 am

            Thanks for the clarification Matthew, it’s how I understood Angela’s response.

        • Geraldine December 20, 2016 at 8:59 am - Reply

          Hey Sangita,

          I don’t think Angela’s comments was directed at you – like she was making things clearer as various people where chiming in on mantras and chakras – personally I found her mention of clarifying Belsebuub’s recommendations very useful because I’ve done mantras trying to visualize chakras before, like many others, but I personally found it to be more distracting than helpful. So I stopped to visualize it at the same time I was chanting several years ago, and would focus on the sound instead. And after doing that, I’ve had much better result doing it this way – somehow, I would get a stronger stillness within than if I did both, and better results from the mantras themselves. So reading Angela’s comment was ‘comforting’ (not sure if really that’s the correct word for it), I was not missing out by doing so. I also found it interesting that several people commented that they had found the same as well.

          As for mentioning about the terms on the site – well it was a good reminder because of what spirituality is about, as at its core is Love, about not doing any harm or wishing ill intent on people.

          Again, I found that down-to-earth understanding very helpful – because with mystical experiences, it can sometimes be so easy to make this work into something that it is not, yet if we dissect the essence of this work like Angela did in that manner, it just helps so much to just really clearly come back to earth so to speak, and not get lost in a fantasy.

          This work is about removing all this negativity within that we can feel toward our selves, and toward others, it’s about really gaining that love, that care and responsibility toward oneself and toward others. And it appears in life in so many ways. It’s not about psychic abilities or chakras. So I found it very helpful to reflect on this again and take it into my life on a deeper level.

          I also appreciate what Matthew said (thanks Matthew 🙂 ) about using these clarifications to gain a deeper understanding of things – i don’t believe spirituality is static either, it’s not set in stone in a sense, like Jesus talks about the living word and living scriptures, and like someone else (Layla I think) talked about very well earlier in this thread – It is so true..

          And I find it also good personally to see how I can sometimes set some understanding in stone without even wanting to, but how it can still happen, and being able to shake it, to confront a belief that may have formed out of nowhere or habit so to speak. So these types of discussions, reflections, and clarifications have been very helpful for me, to see where in my life, I may be making these mistakes and trying to correct it, seeing things as they are, not as I’d like them to be 🙂

        • Ella December 20, 2016 at 3:18 pm - Reply

          Hey Sangita,

          Hope things are more clear for you now! It might be that more than you expect emerges or ‘unravels’ when you ask a question on this site, or get involved in a conversation about a topic. That’s one of its special features 😉 and really, as well as the articles, it can be a huge source of learning too.

      • Aleksandr December 21, 2016 at 8:24 pm - Reply

        Thank you Angela for reiterating what this work is truly about. I have also found that mantras (as well as other uplifting activities) can have similarities with pleasure. They offer a lift but without making a person change their ways. This is not necessarily a good thing because suffering can be a benefit in itself by allowing to feel the repercussions of our actions. I am grateful to Belsebuub because I know that I had lost my ways many times, and yet continue to be given a chance.

        Thank you also for clarifying about the terms of use on Belsebuub’s site and projects. I am very sad about the state of Gnostic groups. I am sad for Samael Aun Weor especially because through their actions these people are hurting him, who has done a lot of good and never even met the majority of these people. I hope that whoever has anything to do with such groups is able to let them go or at least respect your request to not participate in Belsebuub’s projects.

  6. Layla November 1, 2016 at 5:35 pm - Reply

    Thank you for uploading this talk – lots of valuable insight and a big help to see these lower inner states and how they come to be and are sustained. This is such powerful knowledge being shared.

    Thank you Belsebuub! and thank you Angela for your description – it helped to understand that analogy in light of what Belsebuub was explaining.

  7. Suavi November 1, 2016 at 10:16 am - Reply

    Thank you very much for posting this talk.

    Unfortunately it appears that the entire world has been venerating lust at an exponential rate, and anyone trying to break free from its hypnotic and debilitating power can be perceived as an anomalous person, to say the least.

    Going against lust can be a very challenging battle, particularly in the astral, and the opposing forces can use it along with other personal weaknesses to interrupt a conscious astral experience.

    • Vadim November 8, 2016 at 5:29 am - Reply

      I can definitely relate Suavi to the challenge of fighting lust in the astral plane.

      I just have had a dream a few days ago where there was not a usual temptation, but some sort of a strong hypnotic pull to obey to it. There was a strong feel of being influenced by darkness. When that entity/woman went to kiss me, I just made an effort to wake up in the physical world, woke up, cleared myself from egos, and did again the protective measures.

  8. Roy October 31, 2016 at 5:03 pm - Reply

    Thanks Belsebuub and Angela for sharing this amazing talk. There is so much depth in these 13+ minutes. I can’t remember hearing such a detailed explanation regarding the mixing of the energies before. This really explains the basics in a clear cut and understandable way. I have noticed, as you say, how starting the day on a good note with balanced energies and keeping them balanced makes all the difference compared to being sloppy and allowing egos to make a cocktail out of our energies. In the latter case, the battle to be clear and learn from life is so much harder. It seems that a lot of ground can be gained by having a solid base at the beginning of the day.

  9. Sue October 29, 2016 at 11:47 am - Reply

    This is such a great talk and explanation – clearly coming from lived experience.
    What a reminder to fight for awareness and quietness rather than feeding and spreading the darkness.

  10. Craig October 29, 2016 at 10:36 am - Reply

    Thanks for sharing this powerfully descriptive talk on humanity’s root problem, Lust, and how it manifests to infect every aspect of that which we call ‘ourselves’. It is greatly appreciated!

  11. Anne Linn October 28, 2016 at 10:38 am - Reply

    Thank you so much for this talk. All of it is such a good reminder to try harder.

  12. Martin October 28, 2016 at 9:02 am - Reply

    This is a great talk, it also flies in the face of an attitude that I’ve seen too much of in my lifetime. That being that lust is healthy and a fantastic feeling to indulge in. Lustful behaviour is way too often encouraged in the society around me.

    Thanks for sharing this talk.

  13. Karim October 27, 2016 at 10:54 pm - Reply

    What a talk.
    I personally find it an amazing thing to hear Belsebuub speak like this. It’s like receiving a high knowledge to the heart. And if this talk and knowledge were music it’d be a harmonic symphony, as this knowledge has such an order and completeness to it, naturally flowing and hitting the right notes. Saying that might make me appear a bit silly, but this information is so valuable and it’s what esoteric seeker will discover if they pursue spirituality, this is precious knowledge of life, even if humanity doesn’t know about it.
    I’m quite struck that things that I learned in my own personal practice of self-knowledge, ‘secret insights that no one knows’ are mentioned here by Belsebuub and he even goes way beyond that to the roots and from a much much greater in-depth experience.

    Thanks a lot for posting this video. I listened to it live and had a recording of it and its been great to contemplate over the years, along with all the other talks. But with both the video and audio, seeing this now again I gained so many new things from it.

    Many great explanations in this talk. A comment on the inner level of energy of humanity and one on the kundabuffer:
    It seems that the more experienced a person’s consciousness is the more intelligently they know not to waste energy. It seems ‘young’ essences in society, not quite knowing how to live yet, spend any energy they have easily and are very much bound by very low states. More mature essences intuitively know to abstain from more basic pleasures, knowing its energetic consequences. But with more energy to spare the pleasure to be had from ‘higher’ ego’s is also greater, so a person bypasses some but falls for others and is still very much bound by nature. The way of keeping one’s energy from all ego temptations, especially lust, and transforming it is really quite a different and esoteric thing.

    That energy that comes up in our psyche continuously seems to almost be too difficult to deal with or even unfair. But not too long ago I was thinking about it differently. It can be a gift as well. Because our time is limited, if there would be no ego’s coming up in us (perhaps one every 10 minutes or whatever.) There would be nothing going on, nothing to learn from. But now, each and every moment 🙂 we’ve got, right there, something to learn from, something we can transform, something we can become stronger from. But it does seem to be very ‘heavy going’, so either from all the pressure and darkness and weight a diamond emerges or the pressure and weight and darkness will completely bring us down. It seems to be one or the other, there doesn’t really seem to be an in-between.

  14. Jiri October 27, 2016 at 4:54 pm - Reply

    Thank you Belsebuub for this talk, thank you Angela for posting the talk,

    I see the lust as the ugliest beast of all these beast that are inside, this ego deserves only to be disintagrated into the dust. It must be wonderful feeling not to have that ego inside and be completely free of it. It is amazing not feed this ego, and to stay away from it, but much better, I assume, will be the feeling and life w\ithout it.

    I can see how this ego can enslave person and bring lots of harm, even though I still cannot see deep enough to get complete understanding of this ego. It is also a terrrible enemy to fight against.
    I wish to everyone to win the battles and wars against this ego.

    Thank you again for this talk.

  15. richard spencer October 27, 2016 at 9:11 am - Reply

    The lust sounds like such a destructive force when you explain the internal/ spiritual effects it causes, something that much of humanity would probably be unaware of. Pity more people dont know about this as you see all types of associations with lust in the world eg. marketing, movies etc. and I have noticed how this energy can be quite a compulsive force. Thanks for the detailed explanation

  16. Vadim October 27, 2016 at 12:27 am - Reply

    Thank you! Very grateful for this guidance.

    Lust is very pleasant, but also so compulsive and destructive – the more you go into lust-based emotions – the more then you fall into negative emotions, all psyche gets polluted with mixed up energy, hard to see clearly, hard to think clearly, sparks of basic sexual instinct become a wild fire of passion, energy is rapidly wasted, tiredness comes… love, peace, happiness, all, become lost.

  17. john p October 26, 2016 at 11:55 pm - Reply

    Brilliant explanation, it’s horrible to know that darkness has everyone controlled through the lust energy, it’s no wonder they rule our entire planet.

    Thanks Belsebuub, this talk has been very inspiring, it would be absolute madness not to fight against this control and free ourselves of these dark forces.

  18. Olga October 26, 2016 at 4:04 pm - Reply

    I don’t think I remember this talk at all! But I am sure I have listened to it before.It was truly insightful, breaking down almost scientifically a lot of factors of the the energy of the egos and their hypnotic effect, the merging of consciousness and the importance of our internal struggle to use each day wisely. Thank you so much, its so nice to have access to these talks again, and Belsebuub’s direct teaching about the spiritual work. Listening to these videos and talks has lately felt so nourishing.

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