Why all this is free

Our eBooks have been downloaded over 70,000 times and our site has had over a million hits.

We’ve turned down a number of publishers because we want our work to remain free of charge. In doing that, we and our non-profit publisher could have given up at least $365,000 over these last 3 years, which is what we would have made if we’d charged for our eBooks at going rates on Amazon.com– and that’s not taking into account the huge advertising budgets large publishers with their access to the mainstream media offer.

But have you ever stopped to ask yourself, is it right to charge money for spiritual information? After all, spiritual knowledge and understanding flows freely from the universe to us, so why should we then sell it on at a profit?

We believe spirituality is not something you can price tag, and that it should be passed onto others just as freely as it’s received. To charge money is to block the free flow of spirituality, much like someone at a cosmic stream who diverts the flow of water, only to sell it to those suffering the thirst for change, knowledge, and inner awakening downstream.


By |2018-07-20T04:00:33+00:00July 25th, 2014|news|87 Comments

About the Author:

Lara Atwood is a researcher and practitioner of the native, indigenous Indo-European religion of her ancient ancestors, which is a branch of the ancient Religion of the Sun. She runs the YouTube channel SakroSawel and the website sakrosawel.com ("sakro sawel" means "sacred sun" in Proto-Indo European). Writing alongside her husband Mark, she helped co-author the book The Path of the Spiritual Sun.


  1. Ella October 3, 2016 at 9:40 am - Reply

    I’ve just come across an example of someone who is making money from something that was/is given freely by Belsebuub – information on astral travel. The Buddhist teacher Charley Morley is offering 7-week lucid dreaming courses for ‘only’ $$$. He’s young and trendy, the perfect package to attract punters. I wonder how he and those paying for can justify putting a price tag on this information. Perhaps they just don’t believe an alternative is possible.

  2. Laurie September 21, 2015 at 4:00 pm - Reply

    I am so appreciative that you have made this information for free. I have often said that knowledge should be free as it is our birthright. It has frustrated me for years to see so many people packaging spirituality for a fee. I have been given much information in my dreams, and researched them in my waking moments to find the truth. No one charged me. The idea “knowledge is power” has been abused for profit. And “you get what you pay for” has been misused to confuse. I have said and done things that many people have encouraged me to charge others. I refused because I didn’t have to pay for it. It was only obvious and logical that knowledge and information is for all humans to have access to.

    Again, thank you for sharing freely and helping me with the pursuit of truth. If I use ANY of your information, I will point to your website and page for others to have full access to. How different the world would be if all people helped their fellow humans.

    • Olga September 22, 2015 at 2:48 am - Reply

      I couldn’t agree with you more Laurie. Money rules the world, and its become an accepted mindset that one should charge and make profit on everything to the point that people can get confused when something is done for free.

      When I was living in Scotland, it amazed me how some people offered to help for nothing. We needed a truck to remove some junk, and a few people who we had only met casually, without questioning drove and removed our stuff for us, something that would have cost us over 100$. Perhaps this may not be a spiritual exchange, but it certainly showed how the concept of money has been polluted with greed and self-interest. This makes it even more obvious how there is no place for money in spirituality.

      Wishing you all the best with everything you do freely and for the good of others.

    • Lara Atwood September 22, 2015 at 3:08 am - Reply

      Thank you Laurie for your appreciation and understanding! Yes, how different it would be; the change starts with us!

    • Rachel Vigil April 3, 2016 at 9:23 am - Reply

      If we can no longer review the e-books you should take all the links of your main page and don’t make it seem as if they were still available to everyone! Very frustrating in the fact that my hopes were up and then smashed and said oh sorry.

      • Jenny April 3, 2016 at 12:03 pm - Reply

        Hi Rachel,

        We’ve done a quick update to the home page. It’s a very sad and unfortunate situation to have the eBooks down right now.

        Belsebuub and Mystical Life Publications had offered the eBooks for free for 4 years, so the offering of the eBooks was very much a part of the site. Updating the site has been a work in progress since the eBooks were taken offline. MLP is run by a small group of volunteers and we need to divide our time between administration for the organisation, answering the many emails that come in, updating and maintaining all the websites and YouTube channels, and working to get Belsebuub’s books out in print. Mark and Lara have been focusing their time on writing and updating their books.

        To protect Mark’s works, we are working to get all of his books in print, which we price and sell through Amazon nearly at cost, where neither Mark or Lara receive any profits from the sale of the books. You can learn more about the books and expected release dates here https://belsebuub.com/books. We are looking into more secure ways we can release the eBooks. If your interested in getting updates on the release of the books, you can sign up for our email newsletter here https://belsebuub.com/subscribe-to-get-email-updates.

        Belsebuub.com is a vast resource of spiritual knowledge in itself. You can explore the topic sections, check out the audio section, or check out Belsebuub’s YouTube channels, where he talks in depth about many spiritual subjects.

        I know your very keen to read the eBooks. I hope in the meantime, your able to get something out of exploring the website and I wish you all the best in your spiritual journey.

      • Ella April 4, 2016 at 3:03 pm - Reply

        Hey Rachel,

        I can imagine that was disappointing, however I hope you can understand the reasons as Jenny laid out. I’ve been lucky enough to download them and they are gems but also a lot of the information is here, at least in part, on the website. For example the articles about the spiritual meaning of the solstices and equinoxes contain a lot of information and the articles in general cover a huge range of mystical topics. Also you’ve found this site at a time that the author’s work has started to become available in print – something a lot of us have been waiting for for a long time!

        I’m sure you’ll find much help here to feed your spiritual interests, and hopefully the ebooks will be available again soon.


  3. Karim August 8, 2015 at 12:30 am - Reply

    I just had a read through of this article again, seeing it linked on the front page. From reading it it becomes so clear why spiritual information should be free. It’s really part of it.
    Just imagine giving a lecture while charging money and someone wants to join but doesn’t have the funds to, would you deny them? Then what’s really the motive of what you’re doing, where does it come from within you?

    Anyway very nice and clear write up that covers the reasons very well (and with some great quotes!)

  4. Don Gabriel May 17, 2015 at 10:57 am - Reply

    I just discovered this extremely well done site. I’d like to know more about Mark’s personal spiritual path. Who are his own teachers, and does he do a particular form of meditation or some other spiritual practice? From whom did he learn his own spiritual practice, and what is it?

  5. Paty February 16, 2015 at 12:47 am - Reply

    I just wanted to say that I really appreciate the existence of this website. It is such a valuable tool for us to have and be able to use freely.
    Thank you so much Mark and Lara for all the hard work that you have done to make this site a reality. Thank you for sharing your wisdom and knowledge Mark. It is valuable and desevers to be preserved, fostered and shared.
    Thank you.

  6. DavidH February 13, 2015 at 4:53 pm - Reply

    I have re-read over this article and was once again struck by the integrity to provide all this in the way that you do, you continue to have my support and I hope you can continue doing what you do!

  7. Roy S August 13, 2014 at 3:04 am - Reply

    Very touching article Lara and I can only agree with you that it’s awful to see how Mark’s work ends up being used to make money and mislead people from finding out about the whole truth of the work.

    When I found out about Mark’s work my life wasn’t going into the right direction and problems seemed to pile up. My inner states were in such contrast with my early years in life and I remember a few experiences I had back then that looked like astral projection or lucid dreaming. I searched the net for answers and found many websites regarding this topic, some offering courses. To join some of them I had to pay ridiculous amount of money. One website stood out and offered Mark’s courses, for free. I can remember my initial reaction being “Wow, this is awesome” combined with “Hmm, there must be a catch at some point” That catch never came and later I learned why everything was offered for free.

    Initially, it was hard for me to understand this mechanism of give and take, what it’s like to make personal sacrifices instead of paying money and to not receive money or status back but spiritual experiences and clarity. I sincerely hope more people will find this website and try the techniques enough to see and feel what they are capable off.

  8. Michelle August 12, 2014 at 4:28 pm - Reply

    I am deeply saddened to see people stealing your work that is freely given, chopping it up so it isn’t comprehensive and then profiting off of it. The worst part is that when people get partial truths it creates so much confusion because the truth resonates within and then leads to nowhere because it has been hacked into pieces and then takes the person in a wrong direction. I often think this is worse than things that are obviously dark, because it leads people astray who are truly seeking the spiritual in their lives.

    I am also frequently dismayed by how profiting off of spiritual things has become socially acceptable everywhere I go and that offering things for free actually brings up suspicion in people. I am often volunteering my time to help people spiritually and pretty much any time I talk about it, someone tells me that I should make a business out of it…. and they really seem to think that would be a good thing to do.

    I am eternally grateful to you, Mark and mystical life publications for your commitment to offering this information for free. I know I wouldn’t be where I am if it wasn’t for you. I wish you strength in all of your endeavors and know that you are in my prayers daily.

  9. Daniel M August 8, 2014 at 3:53 pm - Reply

    Great article Lara!
    Very clear and to the point.
    This piece is teaching in itself, it really makes you think!
    Thank you.

  10. Patricia A. August 4, 2014 at 4:17 pm - Reply

    Thank you Lara for posting this article and for explaining the importance of making the spiritual teachings available to others free of charge. I think it’s remarkable that these teachings were always made available to anyone interested in learning about them regardless of their financial background – I know it made me appreciate them and all the efforts of the hard-working people involved in spreading them to others even more.
    I recall a past situation when I was out with a close friend of mine at a book store. We happened to be talking about the courses I was taking at the time when there used to be a centre and how beneficial they were to me and that they were always free of charge. At that time a mutual friend of ours who was interested in alternative spirituality had registered herself for a retreat with a particular author of some popular New Age books (the one that has been mentioned before) who was charging several thousands of dollars (I believe it was close to $10,000 per person) for a week-long spiritual retreat in Hawaii. I thought the fact that people had to travel an extraordinary distance and be charged a ludicrous price for the sake of accessing spiritual information was outrageous. Coincidentally, another lady who overheard our conversation and who happened to be a public relations agent that worked in the New Age industry and knew the author politely cut into our conversation. She was advocating that these so-called spiritual gurus need to charge their audience fees in order for them to earn a living while dedicating their time to publish and market their work and provide venues/seminars for their fans. She went on to discuss how profitable and popular the industry was becoming and how the use of established marketing strategies by agents like her could help reach out to even more people (with money of course) interested in the works of these authors. I wholeheartedly agree that spirituality is not something you can place a monetary value to it and that “it should be passed onto others just as freely as it’s received”. When I offered the public relations agent my opinion about that, she suddenly lost interest in the conversation and walked away.

  11. Julian Kingman August 3, 2014 at 12:00 am - Reply

    It used to actually seem strange to me to make an effort or do hard work when there is no physical profit (whether that be money or a physical creation). Somehow, even though I’ve valued spiritual conversations and information in the past, it didn’t occur to me that one could or would even want to apply efforts in that direction, at least not until I cam across the information that you and Mark share. At some point it clicked with me that enlightenment and the pursuit of the spiritual may be something that takes a lot of hard work, and that I want to do that work; it was really the first time I’ve decided to work hard for something that can’t be physically quantified. Even books and things that I bought before then served more to embellish my ideas about spirituality, and didn’t really have the depth or practicality of what’s offered here.

    Now that my values are more spiritual, it’s seems even illogical that anyone would charge for it, since it’s something internal. It’s like charging for an emotion or a thought, it’s really strange. I really appreciate your integrity, and the integrity of everyone who learned from you and Mark and taught me in some way. There have been so many life-changing events and opportunities that I literally would not have been able to be a part of if money were required. I really resonated with this part of what you said:
    “To charge money is to exclude people from receiving the most important information in life based on their financial standing, which is not and has never been a requirement for receiving genuine knowledge.”
    There have been times where I’ve not been in the best financial standing, and could only concern myself with affording the basic necessities, and couldn’t contribute anything, but was able to get a lot of value out of my experience.

  12. Bobbie August 1, 2014 at 8:27 pm - Reply

    Thank-you for your clarity on the condition of selling spiritual truths. I made a compromise for the very reason you mentioned, you covered the topic beautifully. I set a price on my writing, packaged the work for consumerism, at the same time, I participate in giveaways and have set the minimal price allowed.
    More importantly, I have begun to counter-balance this compromise even greater by posting that, there is no need to buy spiritual truth, and if such truth is for sale, it is likely to be unhelpful. I am searching for additional answers on this subject or ways to take action. I am sensing that people must be healed from the practice of buying and selling spirituality. (I linked to your page, and will remove if you prefer). Best to you.

    • Shane August 2, 2014 at 2:28 am - Reply

      Hi Bobbie, thanks for the link to your site. I found the below documentary on your site wonderful and very inspiring. The theme was much in keeping with the main article here. All the best, Regards, Shane

      Peace Pilgrim

      • Lucia August 2, 2014 at 1:13 pm - Reply

        Yes, what a wonderful documentary, thanks so much Shane for posting the link here, What an inspiring woman, and mostly unknown!

        Bobbie, wishing you all the best in your efforts to take action for change. <3

        • Bobbie August 3, 2014 at 10:12 pm - Reply

          Lucia, thanks so much and best to you.

  13. Justin July 30, 2014 at 9:57 pm - Reply

    Thank you for this article and also thanks to all for the interesting discussions surrounding it.

    Reflecting on this subject, it becomes really clear how we are living in a world that is completely dominated by the material. Money has become both the physical and moral currency of our society, the arbiter of all value and success.

    Something that costs nothing has no place in that value structure and is disregarded or even condemned.

    All those within this structure feel this is normal, and it is pretty difficult to see things any other way.

    Thus the person who wants to pass on spiritual knowledge for free not only faces the challenge of supporting this effort themselves in a world that remains resolutely “for-profit” but also faces the additional burden of looking like a cheap, worthless, alternative next to the high-priced options — even when those costly teachings are essentially derivative copy-cats!

    What your article here does is reposition things properly, making clear that the truly spiritual do not do things for profit, and that the fancy high-priced spirituality is really just a money-making scheme.

    I hope this message gets spread far and wide.

    • Olga August 1, 2014 at 7:11 pm - Reply

      Nicely put Justin.

      ”Money has become both the physical and moral currency of our society, the arbiter of all value and success.”

      And can you really have a conversation with someone without it coming up? Hi my name is Olga? and what do you do?

  14. Gabrielle July 30, 2014 at 6:54 pm - Reply

    Thanks for this article, Lara. I think it sheds light on such critical issues today.

    I have also seen Mark’s work plagiarized in many places, and I have been shocked at the degree of exploitation of something so precious and valuable as spiritual teachings.

    I agree with the points here about the commercialization of spirituality and it does not make sense to profit from spiritual teachings. It does not make logical sense, and it does not resonate on a heartfelt level, either. I do not see any circumstances or conditions that would make it right to do that.

    I hope that this article will reach many people and inspire a shift towards the protection of spiritual teachings from this widespread exploitation.

  15. Layla July 30, 2014 at 4:38 pm - Reply

    Thanks Lara for such an incredibly important article!

    Its hard and getting harder for people to appreciate the simple core principles of life because so much has been inverted and turned on its head. The truth is seen as lies, and the lies are seen as truth, the good are seen as bad and the bad are seen as good. No wonder then the gift of the wise heart is trashed and the material product is treasured.

    I hope that people can come to understand why this is all free and it helps them in their spiritual journey, so that can understand that its like this for a real reason, and its something that they can also be a part of and it can be a part of them.

  16. Jenny July 30, 2014 at 12:20 pm - Reply

    It’s a real shame that some people can’t recognize the true value of something if it doesn’t have a price tag.

    This website, everything within it, is a real gift and opportunity for people. I’m very appreciative for both of your work and everything that you both do and I’m really happy to be a part of the process of getting your works out to the world freely.

    It’s quite shocking how many people rip off Mark and Lara, especially Mark. I’ve seen firsthand many cases of this. People straight up steal Mark and Lara’s work and post it on their sites as their own, with no accreditation back to Mark or Lara. It’s sickening, sad, and it happens all too often.

    Thank you very much for this piece. I think it’s important that it’s clearly known why you guys work the way that you do and the principles behind it so that this amazing resource is not overlooked or trashed just because what you offer is free.

    • Julian k July 31, 2014 at 1:13 pm - Reply

      I’ve had people give me a hard time for not pursuing a “passion”, and finding a career that’s fulfilling. I explain that my passion is for the spiritual, so what’s the difference? My explanations fall on deaf ears. It’s very odd.

  17. Sue July 30, 2014 at 2:07 am - Reply

    It seems that these issues have existed throughout time. I always love to read the quotes from Masters from the past as well, which only goes to substantiate the truth of the message here, that spirituality should always be free. The message, however, appears clear throughout history that true spiritual knowledge should be free to everyone, regardless of their means.

    We could choose to justify as much as we like why we should call ourselves a guru, master, or whatever we like; to justify charging what ever we like; and to reap financial, power and prestige rewards, etc. This, however, does not change the ultimate consequences of our behaviour.

    For me, I am so grateful for these teachings and the way in which they have been provided by Mark and his team.

    I have seem some of the mainstream media authors speaking, including a couple of very well-known authors who appeared on Oprah. From what I could see, however, they do not even appear to have a basic understanding of the words they write. So, how is the poor reader to have any hope of understanding what is required. Sadly though, people often prefer the simple and entertaining element that these authors provide.

    • Paty July 30, 2014 at 8:03 am - Reply

      “I have seem some of the mainstream media authors speaking, including a couple of very well-known authors who appeared on Oprah. From what I could see, however, they do not even appear to have a basic understanding of the words they write. So, how is the poor reader to have any hope of understanding what is required. Sadly though, people often prefer the simple and entertaining element that these authors provide.”

      Sue, you raise some excellent points here.

      I was once curious about all the ‘hallabaloo’ about a male author that appeared frequently on the Oprah show who has since become known worldwide with books, a website, etc. I decided to watch a video to see what exactly was taught. I recall a small audience listening to this person speaking. His capacity to fully explain how to deal with different emotional states was very limited, he kept going round and round in circles. A man got up to ask a question on how to eliminate certain thoughts and emotions that he kept experiencing and that were obviously causing him harm. He was practicing awareness but wanted a technique to go further.
      The response given was seriously inadequate, again, only circular arguments and explanations were offered. I sincerely felt so sorry for this group of people, and in particular for this man who had asked the question, as you could tell he was sincere in his asking and searching for truth. How many thousands of souls are out there searching for the keys to lasting peace and happiness.

      I realised how fortunate we all are to be able to receive information here FREELY that provides a clear path to follow, practical information that anyone can put into practice in all aspects of their lives, leading eventually to the ability to be able to follow one’s own Inner guide and free ourselves.
      That is priceless! And this is why we must continue to support the work that Mark, Lara and others do selflessly to continue spreading this valuable teachings.

  18. Pavlin July 28, 2014 at 8:47 pm - Reply

    Thank you for this article Lara. And many thanks to everyone who is working behind this website and all the projects.

    Like others here, would these teachings not have been free of charge, I also would have never been able to go deeper into them and see the benefit they can bring to my life. If I allow it and work for it.

    Some time ago, I came across an astral projection course. When I downloaded the materials I was surprised to find out it was actually Mark’s writings paired with two other books. I can see how that can bring confusion and actually make things more difficult for someone who just finds this topic. And probably goes against the law. Well, while that was a ‘free’ course, what you describe about that person just taking what they like and presenting it as their own publicly is sad and disturbing.

    Once again thank you for your work.

  19. Dara July 28, 2014 at 4:14 pm - Reply

    Thank you for this article, Lara. I feel that the way the teachings are given for free by Mark and yourself on this website and through the resources provided by Mystical Life Publications reflects the integrity of the message. Remembering back to the first astral course I took online, I think I was surprised that it was provided for free, but intuitively it made sense, and still does. I cannot imagine a true spiritual figure, like a prophet or someone who has reached mastery, shutting some people out from receiving guidance or spiritual teachings due to lack of money. It’s at odds with the spiritual qualities of the consciousness that are meant to be developed by the time a person reaches the level where they can guide others, certainly if they have reached mastery.

    I once saw a recording of an extremely successful internet marketer talking about what motivates people to buy things. He was speaking to a group he was training about the need to understand the human psyche: what people desire, what they fear, really get into their skin. He then started talking about how people say that they are happy, but that the Buddhists have it right, ultimately we’re all suffering–constantly looking for pleasure, gratification, escape from mundane life, etc. (He really had my attention at this point!) He then mentioned that, incidentally, the ‘spiritual market’ was absolutely huge, and growing, and if you wanted to make real money then this was the place to be, because the human condition is innately miserable and people will always be seeking to get out of pain and misery, and never be able to. Thus you have a vast, perpetually unsatisfied market of customers for life. He said he had several large clients in the new age/ spiritual genre and they were basically raking in the dough. The way he explained all this to the group he was training was so cold, matter-of-fact and nonchalant it made me sick.

    This is what humanity is up against–as you mentioned to the people making money this way it’s just business as usual, but the spiritual implications are just a disaster!

    Thank you for your continued efforts to bring these precious teachings to light in spite of all the plagiarism and various other obstacles. It’s made a huge difference in my life and gives me hope of realising truth and light inside myself and the world.

    • David July 29, 2014 at 8:50 am - Reply

      That example of the internet marketer is pretty sad Dara – profiteers in human misery!

    • Justin July 30, 2014 at 10:00 pm - Reply

      An interesting example, someone who could see so clearly into the human condition and yet whose response was to use his insights for higher profits.

      And yet this person would probably be lauded as a successful and respectable member of society, whereas someone trying to live their life giving free spiritual teachings is treated basically as a freak and a “loser”.

      How on earth does this make sense?

    • Julian k July 31, 2014 at 1:18 pm - Reply

      Wow, I bet you weren’t expecting that!

    • Andrew July 31, 2014 at 9:27 pm - Reply

      Yikes! That’s a scary first hand experience of the nature of marketing voodoo in the ‘spirituality’ industry.

  20. DavidH July 28, 2014 at 3:25 pm - Reply

    I can only concur with what you have said Lara and with all the other supporting commenters so far.

    Where would I be now if I had not seen a poster for a free course 12 years ago? (Gosh is it that long! Gulp!) And if it had not been for free I would not have enquired any further…if so, how different my life would be now and probably not for the better.

    The teachings and help I have received through Mark and his efforts to freely spread these teachings is priceless.

    The opportunities I have had as a result for a greater and I would say faster wisdom learning than ordinary mundane life offers and the opportunities to help others to get to these vital teachings has been immense.

    The help I have received back in all sorts of ways has been immense and there’s probably more that I’ve not been aware of. Money had nothing to do with that flow of spiritual give and take. It could not have happened if it was just someone making a profit out of me. Anyone charging money for spirituality has got it very wrong in my opinion and experience. Anyone who does not value it unless they pay money for it is very poor indeed.

    Thank you Mark for continuing to fly the flag of true spirituality. Thanks also to all the team behind you helping to bring the teachings out freely to humanity who so desperately need it. Thanks to everyone who help support it in anyway! You all have my support!

    I wish it would not be ripped off by others for profit, it is total anathema to what they are supposed to be teaching and representing. I wish more of humanity would properly value these free teachings and take them up so we can all live on a better planet than this sorrowful and complex mess we have got nowadays.

    Thank goodness I took that free course all those years ago and that it was free! Now, I still have a lot of work to do but at least I have the opportunity to see it and do it. I would not be in this position if this required money, and to be in this position is a rare and precious gift.

  21. Lance July 28, 2014 at 3:06 pm - Reply

    It’s wrong to charge for spiritual information, I know this firsthand, but does that mean you can’t use the infrastructure of a popular publisher to better spread your teachings? Why not sign a ‘profitless contract’ with a large-scale publisher and let them make the money while you enjoy the more widespread distribution?

    Here I think it would be fair to define what spiritual information is. From my limited experience, if you’re talking about astral projection, spiritual sex or dissolving egos, it is spiritual. Anything beyond those three things is just general self-improvement. If you’re talking about meditation or silencing the mind, then you can charge, because meditation is not spiritual as such. If you’re talking about causal projection, then that’s another thing clearly. If you’re claiming your teaching leads to some kind of enlightenment, then there should be no charge. I keep my requirements simple like that. Of course, I’d like to know if I’m wrong.

    • Martin July 30, 2014 at 10:57 am - Reply

      Interesting thoughts Lance; thanks for sharing. It’s a jungle out there isn’t it.

      What do you mean by:

      meditation is not spiritual as such?

  22. Stas July 28, 2014 at 4:31 am - Reply

    I wanted to express my sincerest gratitude to you, Mark and everyone throughout the years who made these teachings available and free of charge. These teachings have been life changing so thank you from the bottom of my heart.

    There were times in my life where I found myself in really dark places with almost no hope, feeling pretty miserable. Somehow these teachings have always guided me and gave me hope. And eve though I have me many mistakes, I know with all my heart that if not for these teachings I would be in a very different place than I am now. Not to say that I have gotten too far but to me I can feel like I can actually breath now, you can say, and have been able to find this light inside that hopefully will eventually guide me to where I need to be.

    I really feel that Through applying the practices taught here we can learn to develop and listen to our essence. Which in turn can allow us to really change not only individually but also as humanity. Mark have made it very simple for someone to experience life in a different way and it luckily it does not cost any money but only our own efforts.

    I really hope Lara that we can really all pull together to spread this message so that others have the same possibility to learn to develop their essence and be the driving force behind the positive change in the world. I also like your encouragement of,sharing this with others as much as possible as I often even felt uncomfortable about my interests as it seemed so not main stream. But I found if we overcome our fear and just let our consciousness guide us then we can really present this information in the way in which people can relate to it and hopefully be open to experience it themselves which is really the key.

  23. Gavin July 28, 2014 at 1:37 am - Reply

    Thank you for another great article.

    Looking for real spiritual teachings today can certainly be a confusing search. It would seem obvious that anyone charging money for teachings is someone who doesn’t have any real knowledge, but apparently given the value of money today this not the case. Knowledge would be so easy to find if everyone who knew nothing just stayed quiet. However not only do they not stay quiet they can also charge large sums of money peddling their belief structure. As Mark has said and you say in your article the most successful ones are really just giving people what they want to hear.

    The example you give of Jesus charging an entry fee to the Sermon on the Mount is perfect.

    The plagiarising of other peoples work is astonishing. Free courses are stolen and repackaged for profit and even for bestselling self help books like you say. Witnessing this has been eyeopening and saddening. Recently more and more individuals are repackaging the work on Solstices, Equinoxes & ancient sites that has been presented here for free.

    The presenting of real spiritual teachings free of charge is such an important work. Whether or not an individual has the inclination or ability to take the teachings seriously should be the only factor, bringing money into the equation is clearly not what any spiritual teacher has ever done.

    Thanks to everyone involved at MLP and Belsebuubdotcom for the work you do getting this information out.

  24. Fotis July 27, 2014 at 5:52 pm - Reply

    I think is difficult in our days define and value things without materialistic measures. And money isn’t just a measure but a kind of religion in western mentality societies.
    I remember when i was attending at free courses that a lot of people where passing just to check what is all about, just wasting some leisure time and go. On the other side at paid ones people wanted to take back as much as possible, partly counterpoise like that the money they paid.

    I like the idea of setting a suggested price on things just for those who are able or/and want to pay and to be without charge for those who don’t.
    It’s also great that MLP put forward the amounts of the expenses of its activity. So people can clearly see that these projects are given for free but that have also a financial cost.

    About money and the spiritual, i think the official religions-churches (and not only) have a great responsibility too. Because in order to collect donations they form their speech in a way people feel compelled and against god’s will if they don’t give. The meaning of charity have also been diverted.A lot of charity-companies have opened, businesses are running behind them for their own benefit and possibly money is laundering through charities.

    I’m really grateful for these teachings are given for free and for all the work internally and externally, behind the scene.

    Thank you for this article and i wish the best for your current and future activities!

  25. Matthew July 27, 2014 at 9:04 am - Reply

    Really good overview of the sad reality of how spirituality is getting trashed by people’s greed and delusions.

    I think our consumption-obsessed society equates success with money, and so people feel that anything valuable has a monetary price. And like you mentioned, if something doesn’t have a price tag it’s as if it doesn’t have much value, in the way people are trained to see it.

    Perhaps at a subconscious level people also feel that by paying for something spiritual they can acquire spirituality easily, without hardship or sacrifice, so there is the psychological deception that they are getting something or somewhere by paying a set price, sort of like New Age simony. And the motivational self-help and feel-good commercial nonsense just panders to this mentality. It’s easier to pay cash for a motivational hit then to truly change and make sacrifices.

    In reality true spirituality has never been sold and commodified historically. I’ve often wondered the same about trying to imagine figures like Jesus charging money for a sermon like today’s operators — it would just be absurd. Spirituality has always been about sacrificing the material for inner enlightenment or salvation. That comes through so clearly in Jesus’ teachings, and other famous examples like the way Buddha and Saint Francis renounced wealth to live a spiritual life. Now it all seems to be about giving a spiritual gloss to mammon worship — an inversion of the real thing.

    Thank you very much for all the work you and Mark do, it is much appreciated and greatly needed in the world.

  26. Paty July 27, 2014 at 7:40 am - Reply

    Thanks very much, this is an excellent article. Highlights for me the importance of being in the give and take of this knowledge.

  27. Laura July 27, 2014 at 7:22 am - Reply

    Thank you for this article Lara. It is not often in the world today that you come by this authentic generosity and good-will that stems from the heart and the sole desire to help humanity with everything you do.

    It is difficult to believe that there are individuals out there who would use your knowledge on the sacred solstices and equinoxes which you had to work so hard to gain, to think they can snatch it so easily and use it as a theme to a paid holiday! Equally hard it is to believe that someone would actually create a best-selling book based on your work to gain profit from it. How could they even pretend to be spiritual? Isn’t their conscience giving them a tough time, and how can they just ignore it? It escapes me how so many people would choose money and fame over true spiritual values.

    There was a time many years ago when I lived in a big city and was looking to start a course on a spiritual topic. There were a lot of courses available but all of them were so expensive, and I didn’t have much money. I went to a weekend course given by an organization studying the consciousness and astral projection, but the weekend alone was £100. That was all I could afford. Soon after that I found a free course in astral projection, and that gave me access to further spiritual teachings given for free which changed my life altogether. This would never have happened if I would’ve had to pay for it and I can’t actually imagine where I would be now in life if it wasn’t for that free course, so inconspicuous and humbly presented as well.

    Thank you from my heart for all that you do and your very hard work in providing all this amazing spiritual material for free!

    • Jiri Altman July 28, 2014 at 11:14 am - Reply

      Hi Laura,
      I had very similar experience with the money, if I had to pay for the Astral course I would not be able to join and I would miss my life opportunity.
      Thank you for the free courses

      • DavidH July 28, 2014 at 2:22 pm - Reply

        hi Jiri, nice to see you here, hope you are well!

        • john p July 31, 2014 at 2:56 pm - Reply

          Hello Jiri, Yes it’s nice to see you here. Hopefully we’ll see you in Australia again one day soon.

      • Ella July 29, 2014 at 2:51 pm - Reply

        Same Jiri – I was a skint teenager, with no money but high hopes! Even then I didn’t trust people who charged for any kind of spiritual teachings. I wanted to find a real teacher who would be able to guide me and who I could trust, respect and love. I had no idea how lucky I would be to find one, but also how demanding the inner payments would be! : – )

  28. Boyd July 26, 2014 at 9:25 pm - Reply

    Thank you for this article Lara and the people behind Mystical Publishing. Your work is very much appreciated. So grateful to Belsebuub for sharing these sacred teachings.

  29. David July 26, 2014 at 3:25 pm - Reply

    Thanks for this article Lara and for everything you and Mark and the MLP team do in writing and helping to spread Mark’s teachings!

    When I first came across them I was a poor uni student on a government pension and was really thankful that they were free as my lack of money didn’t limit me being able to learn! I’m not sure if it struck me as strange at the time, I think the whole thing just felt right.

    Maybe in some ways we have too much money nowadays and too much choice, so it’s easier to pick the person teaching that has the most charisma or the biggest following or would seem to give the quickest returns. Interestingly I was with a group of people awhile back who were talking about awareness. Someone said ‘What does someone being aware look like?’ and another person said ‘you know, kind of robotic like [very famous commercial guru]’. It’s sad that these ideas have been put into everyone’s psyche that spirituality is not a natural thing, almost like the commercial gurus are playing the role that they think people want to see – spiritual seeming actors.

    I’m sure many people would rather pay big money for that and to be told they can quickly reach enlightenment rather than going through years (or a lifetime) of inner work to get there! I remember recently seeing a guy saying he’d used biofeedback to train himself in 7 days how to meditate in a way that would usually take 21 – 40 years of practise – and it only cost him $20,000. While if that’s true it’s probably a useful skill to have, but it kind of sets a precedent where people think they have to pay money to get results. Do people who don’t have the money then keep looking or just give up? It also seems there is a push to take the deeper principles out of spirituality in many areas and to just keep a watered down more PC version that is more palatable but lacks the information needed for real change.

    I also think some famous entrepreneurs are probably to blame in some ways (although they probably didn’t mean it) for inadvertently teaching others to sell and possibly plagiarise spiritual teachings. There is a big movement around startup entrepreneurship by monetising your skills and interests and using them to create infoproducts and sell them online. While I don’t think that is bad in itself when it comes to teaching people more mundane things, it seems risky territory when it comes to spirituality – people might have an interest in spirituality and can obviously see it’s a huge market, but might not have the experience to understand spiritual laws around giving and receiving freely and also lacking in experience then it would be easy to plagiarise other people’s work, especially work like Mark’s that can be accessed freely and obviously has a lot of depth. The second Lao Tze quote seems really spot on in relation to that!

    So much information is being created nowadays too that it must be getting harder and harder for people searching for spirituality to find the real thing, and if / when they do there are so many other distractions that I sometimes wonder whether people will have the staying power to put the teachings into practise for long enough to get the results they need to in order to see it through.

    Very very glad that I was able to come across these teachings because they really put everything else into perspective in regards to their depth and the change and understanding that can be achieved with them!

  30. Jiri Altman July 26, 2014 at 1:00 pm - Reply

    Thank you for this article. Before I joined the teaching of the truth, I was told that people have to pay for spirituality to value it. But For many years I was thinking how can I value it? It was only empty circle, because I was paying and not getting any evaluation out of it. I am very fortunate that I found this work and I hope I will get the chance to help people to find real spirituality.
    All the best

  31. tina July 26, 2014 at 10:20 am - Reply

    I am also grateful for this article – thank you Lara. I really liked the quotes you chose – they support everything you said very nicely.
    Unfortunately the situation in this world is the way you describe it and it’s so sad seeing some people really wanting to do something about their own life but who got so confused on the way because of the way it all works that they abandoned any possibility of real change.
    I hope things will change at some point – but not sure when that will be…

  32. john p July 26, 2014 at 10:17 am - Reply

    Thanks for the insightful article, Lara.

    Having studied the sacred knowledge taught by Mark, it has enabled me to verify the spiritual world, and to know first hand, that Divine Beings really exist and are ready to help us if we choose to change. Also, having had the privilege to know Mark has a friend, without a doubt, has proven to me that his wisdom can only come from The Divine.

    I really hope that many will help Mark with the mammoth and difficult task of passing on this information to humanity.

  33. Alex July 26, 2014 at 10:06 am - Reply

    Thank you for this article Lara. It is wonderful to have a real spiritual teacher in the world, and I wish more people knew about Belsebuub. It is unfortunate how things are these days. The materialism of today makes it hard to focus on something that does not have a visible return, and I can also see how people are trying to make money (or other personal goals) in whatever way they can – even using their own spiritual interest for the purpose. Sometimes I see it’s hard to even focus on something that does not give profit – either because of external pressures, or because of my own mind.

    Thank you for continuing to spread this message and I hope that I can help with it in some way. Best wishes to you, Mark and all who help you.

  34. Suavi July 26, 2014 at 7:57 am - Reply

    It is great to have unrestricted access to genuine spiritual information on this website. Reading an article or a chapter from an ebook, dedicating time to explore practices, or even listening to an audio file never fails to inspire me to objectively look at my daily actions and reactions, to strive to overcome detrimental habits and to try to better understand myself and fellow humans.

    It is truly unfortunate that so many are willing to pay money in hope of buying inner peace or a ticket to heaven. Perhaps it is engrained in our psyche that when we pay cash we get something in return and that is probably why so many institutions, corporations and individuals exploit naive people who are too busy making a living to stop and think for a moment. In my country of birth regular payments for supposed salvation during weekly gatherings has become a norm like paying electricity or telephone bill…

    Therefore, like many others, I am very grateful to have access to the teachings.

    • David July 26, 2014 at 2:41 pm - Reply

      It is truly unfortunate that so many are willing to pay money in hope of buying inner peace or a ticket to heaven.

      We live in such a time poor and instant gratification culture nowadays I imagine paying for teachings that talk about being able to wake up one day or have a realisation and be permanently aware / enlightened etc. like you mentioned would be a lot more enticing than learning that a lot of personal effort is needed to achieve real results..

  35. David Nicholas July 26, 2014 at 6:50 am - Reply

    I remember before I went to the first gnostic class I spent a few thousand on different seminars by self help gurus like Tony Robbins and after going to the first gnostic class I actually thought to myself wow this is better and it’s free… Then thinking exactly what you say in the article.. The best things in life are free.
    Really agreed with the points made.

  36. Sian welsh July 26, 2014 at 5:49 am - Reply

    I am curious why you chose the name you did for your website? The devil?

    • Lara Atwood July 26, 2014 at 8:09 am - Reply

      Hi Sian,

      Belsebuub is the name of his consciousness. He didn’t choose it, everyone’s consciousness has a name.

  37. Sian welsh July 26, 2014 at 5:37 am - Reply

    I love and fully respect what you are doing. I myself are one of the millions who have bought countless spiritual books to further my development. If I’m honest I have always seen that people who spend their time and energy creating something for others should be paid in some way. An exchange of energy. In our society that exchange is generally money. Which, to some degree I do not disagree with. After reading what you have said I now feel that the exchange of energy does not always have to be money. It could even be done in a ‘pay it forward’ way. You receive something and then you give something to someone else. Regardless, after reading what you have said about how we shouldn’t really have to pay for spiritual truths has certainly opened my mind to it in a different way. Thank you!
    I will most certainly share you page with others I know will appreciate it and benefit from it!

  38. Priya July 26, 2014 at 5:27 am - Reply

    Really interesting and valuable points you have brought up Lara, especially about the devaluing of free spirituality, and the way that plagiarization causes huge ramifications for humanity spiritually that most people (perhaps even the ones doing it) have no idea about.

    I’ve also seen the way that free spiritual information is not valued and treated with a level of suspicion, like you mention it wasn’t “good enough” to sell. I think in today’s consumer-driven world, a monetary value is assigned to every type of transaction, which now includes spirituality. If it’s free, then instinctively people assume it’s of little worth or pushing some kind of sinister agenda, and you have to explain that it’s free because of certain principles you’re upholding rather than because you had no other choice. If more people upheld this principle then it wouldn’t seem so strange, but today upholding it is seen as archaic and an anomaly, and even threatening by people looking to make profit. I remember a couple of years back my husband was putting up posters advertising a free course and asked permission to put one up at a psychic fair, & the organisers told him no, you would be taking money away from the people doing business at the fair if people could get things free at the course. It really highlights how marginalised this kind of work is in the world.

    A secondary issue stemming from this is that because it’s free and upholding certain traditions, it can also be taken for granted. It’s assumed that no matter what, it will always be there for people to make use of if and when they want to, regardless of the amount of support it receives. But it is up to the people who value this information to actively support it so it continues to be available, because unfortunately no one else in the world will support it for us.

    Thank you for highlighting the problem of plagiarization as well, as it can seem a uniquely ‘modern’ problem facing spiritual information today, with the internet and the (somewhat) free flow of information it allows. But as it’s been highlighted in sacred texts of old, there have always been people who will take other people’s spiritual knowledge and pass it off as their own, to the detriment of spiritual seekers. However with the internet and enormous information instantly accessible at our fingertips, it is a much more widespread and insidious problem. I hope that people with a genuine love of spirituality respect sacred knowledge and not cherry-pick the best parts and republish their own versions. I feel it’s very important for us to always seek to preserve the integrity of sacred knowledge and not basically butcher or steal it, as it’s our own spiritual journey at stake if we alter or interfere with the very knowledge that we are reliant on for awakening.

  39. richard July 26, 2014 at 5:25 am - Reply

    Although I would of been happy to pay money for this information it just seems right that the information should be able to open to all people regardless of there financial status, and after learning more about this information you start to understand why it is so

    So I thank everybody responsible for helping these teachings to get out there particularly Mark for continuing to spread his great knowledge

  40. Martin July 26, 2014 at 4:44 am - Reply

    Thanks for the article Lara, this is very important for humanity.

  41. James N July 26, 2014 at 2:33 am - Reply

    To me this factor really distinguishes the teachings offered on this website from others. There is no agenda to profit, its not a business. Giving these teachings freely really gives integrity and shows a genuine goal of actually helping people regardless of income.

    Im so grateful to have access to the teachings, and grateful they are available to anyone searching.

  42. Jon July 26, 2014 at 2:09 am - Reply

    Thanks for continuing the work that you guys do. It’s so clear from the great texts quoted in the article that spiritual teaching has to be given freely – it’s a wonder that the mainstream gurus get away with so much.

    I remember when I first got into this, one of the main factors was that money wasn’t charged. I never paid to go to any “spiritual” event, and to do so feels really wrong. It’s sad but I agree many people seem to attribute a price tag to worth.

  43. Hrvoje July 26, 2014 at 1:59 am - Reply

    Enjoyed reading the article. Particularly liked quotes and examples with which you illustrated the points you made. I recently stumbled upon a website that seems to be in high regard in terms of being something very esoteric, yet there is a monthly fee to pay in order to access any materials. After looking at the content it was clear that it’s not really esoteric but just the mix of some popular spiritual practices. But still people are deceived by the design of the website which gives impression it holds some very spiritual knowledge. I think many who are ready for deeper information can feel that something is missing and will move further. I don’t know of all the things involved in the process of someone finding the real deal.

  44. Olga July 26, 2014 at 1:12 am - Reply

    Great article! I had also recently been wondering why free spirituality is so undervalued. The only thing I can think of that perhaps caters to this resistance of free spirituality is how materialistic the world has become, that people hold dear the things they can own and buy, that this brings a sense of pride and self-worth. (even if the corporations made us believe this in the first place) But if we wouldn’t be too preoccupied with buying things to increase our self-worth, perhaps there would be more openness to what money can’t buy. I can see this in myself even, for instance how hard it may seem to seek out sustainable products or make your own cleaners and shampoos, we have been pampered by this world that solves all our problems through making new purchases over and over again but rarely rely on our own abilities to seek improvements.

    It is though incredibly sad and unjust how hard it is to find one’s way to the real gems of knowledge. But to actually find the work I think it must ultimately come down to a little help from above, whether you grab the opportunity, that’s another story.

    Also, when I first came across that book of the person you mentioned that had plagiarized Mark’s work, it was so apparent to me how much they took from Mark, almost word for word at certain parts. Other times writing about concepts that I had never seen explored anywhere else but through Mark’s teachings, and would be really no reason for the person to mention it at all, since it didn’t really relate to the book over all, and was presented in a way that it seemed even they didn’t really understand the concept – thus making it extremely obvious to someone like me who had already read a lot of Marks’ teachings. Where is the integrity? Presumably giving a teaching that require an honest look into oneself, self-knowledge & self-improvement etc… but then stealing the work of another.. so hypocritical.

    I was also stunned to read that still many people continue to take your articles and ebooks and make money off of them. I can imagine that already it is so hard to provide the work you do, and then another person hijacks it for their own is just terrible.

    I do wonder what we can do to shift the way towards an acceptance of free access to spirituality. Maybe things are changing, as many people unknowingly search out for free information via the internet, resources, youtube videos etc.. maybe admitting that something is free is too ”old school” but the thrill of discovering something amazing is on the rise.

    • Karim July 26, 2014 at 12:34 pm - Reply

      I had the same thing Olga, I had heard about that book and that it used teachings from one of Mark’s books. But when I actually saw it prominently displayed in a local bookshop and when I read it more thoroughly I felt sick to be honest.

      With every page I read I saw how people could be deceived by this half-information, and because it was stolen from real teachings there might be enough ‘truth’ in that half-information that it would perhaps kind of satisfy people’s search. But I could see clearly that without the deeper aspects and whole truth it could lead nowhere.

      I feel that to lead people away from true information, information that could enable them to reach the real spiritual, is a terrible crime.

  45. Christos July 26, 2014 at 12:54 am - Reply

    Probably that was also the meaning of Jesus sending the merchants out of the temple of Jerusalem.

    Charlatans that take advantage of people’s eagerness to learn and practice spirituality not only obscure the way to true esoteric teachings but also give a lot of excuses and reasons for alternative spirituality to be attacked.

    People with an agenda to harm can use the argument of money to raise suspicion and doubt from people that are already fed up with seeing ”spiritual teachers” charging for their ”knowledge”.

  46. Craig July 25, 2014 at 11:25 pm - Reply

    An excellently written article! Thank you Lara for highlighting how much of the Spiritual information given here has been ripped off by others, simply in order to make a quick buck.

    It is sad to see that the people, when attending the free public lectures, simply miss the pearl that is put before them. It is sadly true, as you mention, that people only seem to respect the speaker if the audience member has parted with a bundle of cash to start with.

    Thankfully, when I was starting out, one of the teachers told me (something like this): “Put what you think you know aside and take this information on it’s own merit. Test the knowledge you learn here rigorously”. So, when I heard of the simple manner in which to verify if a Master is real: “A Master has the form of the physical person. If they are a Master, you can call them by their Divine Name and they will appear”. Isn’t it ironic that none of the thieves you mention have passed on that little tidbit of information?

    I can only say thank you to everyone here on this website and all the teachers who ‘coaxed’ me through the teachings.

  47. Ella July 25, 2014 at 10:26 pm - Reply

    Thank-you Lara for explaining clearly the situation with the teachings here and why they are free. It puts it in perspective to hear the amount that has been sacrificed. It is a breath of fresh air to know there is something here that still holds it’s integrity amoung a world that’s mostly corrupted by money and the power-games of society.

    I experienced a sickening feeling in the past when I realised that people I was turning to for some kind of spiritual help or guidence were using that need for their own materialistic or power gains. Often I would realise very soon that their own knowledge was pretty incipient and they could not help me.
    I met so many people who merged their charisma with shows of spirituality to become very manipulative people. It was sad also to see there was a part of me that was tricked and wanted to adore them, to be told pretty things, and that the same thing happened to many others. It sure is true that the money-media-muscle-machine has it’s tenticles in all areas of our society, and that people want entertainment and things that make them feel good over the often difficult truth.

    Reading this article also made me relfect on the many good people I met who were sincerarly trying to do something spiritual with their lives but were intent on merging it with a way of making money, and saw it as some kind of conformation that what they were doing was ‘rewarded by the universe’. It’s very rare for the opposite to be said, as you have here, and a serious thing to realise that the opposite is true, that they are cutting themselves off from the real rewards of the universe.

    Remembering the vastness and potential of this knowledge, realising it’s real cost – of inner sacrifice and payment with deeds – brings a fresh feeling of yearning to be part of that flow of energy and exchange, and to rid my life of ties to the material and commercial.

    Thank-you to you and the dedicated team for your immensly important work!

  48. Jenny July 25, 2014 at 10:20 pm - Reply

    This is really well put, Lara. It’s amazing how often we’ve been asked over the years while running spiritually-focused groups (non-profit) why we don’t want to charge for our classes, how we could make so much more money, or even be more popular and less “weird” if there was a price attached to the classes we ran… It was incredible to discover how untrusting and suspicious people have become, such that “free” is taken to mean a scam, something to be upset or unsettled by… It’s such a strange culture we live in.

    Once we had a couple attending our classes who went to a talk given by a “bestselling” author on spirituality (the very one you mentioned in the article as having taken Mark’s work and used it for gain and fame), and when the couple came back they were ecstatic, saying “it was wonderful! He was so humble that before he came on stage someone announced that he is very humble and doesn’t like people clapping. He then told us everything you teach in these classes, but very eloquently!” It was so strange to hear this feedback, as we already knew that to be the case and that was exactly what these people described as having experienced. This talk they attended came with a high price tag, of course. All I could think about was that the whole stadium being filled paying that much per ticket meant over $400k for the night, but it’s crazy to think how much money that industry rakes in in a single event like that. And to think the whole thing is based in a teaching that was borrowed from other sources and turned into a commercial success with the help of clever marketing…

    I remember growing up (not in North America), that seeing a village healer was fairly commonplace, and most healers didn’t charge anything for their healing. They accepted simple donations of bread or other gifts, and that was sufficient for them. Each gave what they could offer (be it farm produce, something handmade, etc.) as a token of appreciation, and as a way to support and sustain the healer. In this system, the healer was not motivated by finances or material things; they healed from their heart, using their gift to help others. I wish we could go back to that system. Not just for healing, but also for justice, and of course spirituality. The world really would be a much better place if people worked for the common good, sharing the fruits of their labours with others, and using their unique gifts to ease and improve others’ lives instead of to line our pockets.

    • Mark July 25, 2014 at 11:04 pm - Reply

      Krishnamurti didn’t allow clapping either, I believe the person you refer to probably got the idea from him. When the audience claps a public speaker can be thrown by their own emotion and can feel very uncomfortable. That emotion is pride, by the audience refraining from clapping they are saved from the embarrassment of looking and feeling proud. I believe they hide their pride under the guise of humility.

      • Jordan July 26, 2014 at 2:58 pm - Reply

        I remember very clearly the first time when, after a public lecture, the audience gave me a hearty applause that was really very unexpected and I definitely felt that uncomfortable feeling – a whole mix of “Why are they clapping at/for a talk like this one?,” “How should I respond?” “That wasn’t very good – I don’t think they should be clapping” “Well yes, I did do a good job didn’t I,” and so on, and so on all at once. It lead me to just look down and away and sort of smile embarassedly, trying to ignore or escape in a way the situation altogether – obviously a ridiculous response as dictated by the strong emotion when I was caught off guard (for instance, I could’ve just simply thanked them and not let it get to my head). I can definitely see how that same emotion would have a person have the audience asked not to applaud, which then can make the person appear extra humble to the audience.

        I’m not making any comment towards how or why Krishnamurti did it, but regarding the circumstances you describe and from the way the story was related to Jenny and I about the person who did this a few years ago, it seemed totally just a part of the whole act of being a “spiritual entertainer.” Unfortunately it seemed to have the desired effect upon his audience – and it’s sad that, in my opinion, that person’s audience or following for the most part seems ultimately more interested in being entertained and impressed, and feeling good about themselves and their spirituality, than attempting and hopefully ultimately doing a real inner spiritual work.

        • Laura July 27, 2014 at 7:56 am - Reply

          “… that person’s audience or following for the most part seems ultimately more interested in being entertained and impressed, and feeling good about themselves and their spirituality, than attempting and hopefully ultimately doing a real inner spiritual work.”

          I like how you put it Jordan. I believe this is part of the agenda of the “New Age spirituality”, to make people feel good and comfortable about themselves, with all the talk about the “ascension of humanity to the 5th dimension” and what not. It’s almost like negative things, either internal or external, have become a taboo, because many people teach that by ignoring them and focusing on the good things they will go away, or that you should just embrace them and forgive them. All over the place you see things like “You are a perfect being”, “You don’t need to change anything”, “You just need to remember that you are enlightened already”. Obviously people would like that because it gives them hope and you don’t have to face the painful things in life.

          I find it very sad that channeling is such a big part of New Age teachings, and that this talk about the ascension is coming through the channelings, which people believe come from true spiritual or cosmic beings. It is easy to believe in something a supposedly high spiritual being is telling you. I heard that it can actually be demons mocking and having fun impersonating good beings through channeling. I also heard that New Age was deliberately planned by the evil guys to make people feel too comfortable to seek true spiritual and societal change. It’s just terrible. I really hope that the true spiritual teachings may be able to be spread in the world yet.

          • Lucia July 28, 2014 at 9:39 pm

            I totally agree about “feel good” type of spirituality that seems to be preferred today by most people. I noticed somehow people seem to have this idea that “spiritual” means only beautiful, harmonious and pleasant. They usually don’t want to hear much about the dark side of our nature and the need to eliminate it, or going through a lot of pain and suffering in order to achieve spiritual treasures within. Or actually, I think they like reading about it (like a story that maybe some historic figures did), but not willing to do it themselves. Even the idea of not having more material possessions than you necessarily need is very unpopular today and people going through hardships or material difficulties are automatically considered “loosers”.

      • Jenny July 27, 2014 at 8:31 pm - Reply

        That makes sense, Mark. Interesting that even that bit seems to be borrowed from others… Sad that so many people fall for it. I think the reasons Jordan and Laura pointed out are true, but knowing that it’s all so unauthentic makes me sad thinking about all those people who are deceived by by this “guru” with a pleasant teaching that leads no where.

        Having your humility announced to the audience is rather odd in any case…

      • Layla July 30, 2014 at 4:11 pm - Reply

        That’s very interesting Mark, how they take things from others, call it their own, market it into a media built charismatic package, and then condition people into ideas about spirituality, whilst keeping real spirituality from them. I just don’t understand how these people can feel at ease with themselves…

        Jenny you made me laugh, when I read your comment, “Having your humility announced to the audience is rather odd in any case…” How ironic!

  49. David Nicholas July 25, 2014 at 8:57 pm - Reply

    “And anyone really interested in doing a spiritual work needs to find a real teacher.”

    It is harder doing the work with not much physical contact or direction from a teacher of a high level. There were a couple of good teachers in Melbourne who I found very helpful when there was a group.

    Does teacher in this quote refer to a Master on the 2nd mountain?

    • Lara Atwood July 26, 2014 at 8:24 am - Reply

      Hi David,

      Yes, the teacher is the spiritual Son.

      • David Nicholas July 26, 2014 at 6:34 pm - Reply

        Thank you Lara.

  50. Zorana July 25, 2014 at 8:06 pm - Reply

    Thank you for this article Lara and to everyone behind the scenes. Without the efforts you put forth, we would be lacking a lot of wisdom and opportunity to seek the truth properly, through our own genuine experience.

  51. Michael July 25, 2014 at 7:31 pm - Reply

    Thank you Lara for posting this informative article. And thanks wholeheartedly to both you and Mark, and to Mystical Life Publications, for constantly working hard to get this information out to people. I hope that enough people will be able to really apply this precious information to their own lives, so they too can gain their own spiritual knowledge, which is beyond any monetary value.

  52. Lucia July 25, 2014 at 5:48 pm - Reply

    Thank you very much Lara for putting it so clearly here. I know there are so many sincerely mistaken people who think its ok to charge money for spirituality. I hope this article will help them, as well as those who are searching, to see and recognize the truth.

    Wishing you all the strength in everything you are doing!

  53. Mike July 25, 2014 at 4:01 pm - Reply

    What an amazing article! I was planning on reading it in chunks but I couldn’t help but read the whole thing at once. It’s so important that true spiritual teachings be freely accessible.

    When you spoke about the labyrinth that even the most sincere seeker can’t get through, that made my heart heavy. It’s scary to think that there are millions or even billions who could be searching but who will never find the truth because of all the half-truths out there. One can’t help but feel powerless.

    The plagiarism is most upsetting. Not only is misinformation being spread, but it’s at the expense of stealing a truly spiritual message and warping it for selfish desires. I really hope the message you present here can be accessible to as many people as possible and I hope to be able to contribute in some way/shape/form.

    It also makes me realize how lucky I am to have found this before being taken away or distracted by other messages.

    Great article!

    • Craig July 25, 2014 at 11:38 pm - Reply

      You were fortunate indeed!

      I spent many many years looking at all the nonsense that New Age had to offer and left every single one for their lack of information. It wasn’t until I walked into a centre one day, to attend an Astral Projection course that I knew I found the right place: I seemed to ‘recognised’ everyone!
      However, it was not until I learnt of the inner teachings (beyond Astral Projection), I realised I had found the pearl I had always been looking for.

      I too, find it very distressing that there are so many people, truly seeking, that have not been able to find this information. I find it equally distressing that many get ‘lost’ in the pseudo-information that is rife throughout the internet.

      Thanks to everyone: especially Belsebuub, for this site and the information here.

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