What happens after we die? Belsebuub discusses near-death experiences and talks about astral projection as a means to enter the unknown and discover more about death. An interview on BBC Radio Cumbria on August 7 2006.
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A very inspiring and strong uplifting talk, giving many incentives for AP.
Thank you very much Mark for bringing it up, it’s so helpful to listen to it.
Wonderful and inspiring talk. Thank you so much. Haven’t heard this before.
It’s so great to get so much information out in this talk. I’m sure many people would be interested in this. Let’s hope they find it.
I’ve been finding these talks to be very helpful and inspiring. Thanks for that Mark.
Wonderful interview, I found it uplifting to listen to it. Mark was adaptive to the quick pace and it went really well. I guess with every interview it’s a question of what you’ll step into.
The main interviewer is very likeable. I had to laugh a bit though: (on the afterlife and everything) What’s your impression so far? :-) It seems that he was able to understand a bit of the things discussed from his direction of questioning, and yet strangely I would not be surprised if afterwards he would continue his life in the same way. In general it’s sometimes a bit of a mystery to me how people can have an understanding or amazing experiences, but then not the drive to pursue it further.
I like how you answered that question about AP helping us prepare for death. That it is not so much about being prepared for death but about exploring life, that this is part of life.
Maybe that brings astral projection down to earth and helps to dispel fears some people might have about Astral Projection. Unknown does not necessarily mean dangerous.
Vida, it’s true – so many people who have these experiences don’t talk to others about them, in part I guess not to sound strange, in part I think because they don’t really want to think about them! Such a shame … more talks like this on the radio could help to normalise these topics or at least help people know one place they can turn to for guidance. I was personally sooo grateful when I first found Mark’s teachings as there came a real solitude in exploring these things.
Even in this interview there’s an interesting example of people who sound interested but also quite dismissive.
I love the way Mark says that it’s not just about being prepared for death but exploring life.
Ella, sometimes when I mentioned about OBE to my friends, they went silence afterward and changed the topic. A lot of them don’t know about it and don’t know what to comment. Although one of my friends did try to OBE for two weeks and she had great OBE experiences. One of her experiences was she saw few beings in white sitting and watching her. She didn’t pursue it afterwards as there was too much going on in life.
That’s great to hear Lili, what a help your friend has received! Hopefully she will be able to pursue it again in the future.
Hi Lili
Interestingly I had the opposite affect when I started talking about OBEs with a select number of friend and relatives. I only started to talk about it after I took the TGM courses on it. I was initially nervous talking about it with others but to my surprise the people I spoke to were telling me that they too had experienced OBEs and gave me the impression that they were open to talk about it and that it wasn’t something they feared.
Hi Patricia,
It’s great that your group is interesting in talking about it. The only person in my family who likes to take about this is my mom. She tends to have vivid dreams a lot. She actually had some great dreams that shown her about the after life and the underworld. When I explained to her, she just listen but don’t think they are real.
Lily, I think it’s great that you can talk about it with your mom. My mom also has vivid dreams. She likes to talk about their significance but I haven’t been able to openly talk to her about OBEs which is unfortunate because she is the only individual I know personally who had a NDE.
Hi Lili,
Yeah unfortunately, it looks like so many people are just not receptive to things like astral projection…but as you know, there are certain moments in lives of everyone when the “window opens” as so to speak, and if the right type of information is passed to them well, it can have such a life-changing effect.
A Russian woman once explained she was shocked in Australia to discover that no one talked about OBE’s because in Russia ‘every one talked about it’. According to an Indian man in India they take it a step further and if some one has an OBE they are congratulated, apparently over there it is celebrated.
This is interesting, thanks Martin so much for sharing! It shows again how in India, the natural spirituality of people is still very much alive and recognized. How nice it would be if people congratulate each-other after having these experiences for the first time, instead of being ridiculed! I think its definitely something that should be cherished and explained to children even, so they know what it is when it happens to them, and can judge it properly.
Thanks Martin, that’s good information to know.
You were able to get some really good info out there in this short interview Mark, helped by some good questions from the interviewers. Funny joke at the end, that was a good one!
It must have been an interesting time for you to be back in the UK giving these interviews as an expert on the topic when you had started out as a student of these studies in the UK.
Another great talk, very helpful and informative information on this very interesting topic Thanks
Thank you, Belsebuub. I seemed to get a valuable insight from hearing your talk, and besides the content, just hearing the way you handled their questions, was a great teaching in itself.
These interviews on NDE’s and OBE’s have been really inspiring to listen to. Thanks for putting them up here. Two points from the different interviews have really stood out to me. The first is when you mentioned that we all have the ability to explore these topics for ourselves. There’s something so inspiring in that we can take up our own personal investigation instead of waiting around for scientific studies or theories to come about to tell us the answers.
The second point that I found both interesting and also kind of alarming is when you mentioned how so many people have experiences like NDE’s or OBE’s of some kind, and yet they don’t really have anyone to talk to about it or find out what that was. I’ve often heard people in passing speak about their dream experiences or even just the process of sleep, like experiencing sleep paralysis etc, and not knowing what is really going on there.
It can sometimes be frightening because it’s such a big unknown. There’s a kind of comfort in being able to explore these things and find out the answers ourselves instead of feeling like they just happen to us seemingly for no real reason. Really inspiring stuff, thank you Mark.
I was struck by the same thing, Vida. How there are people who’ve had spontaneous OBEs and no one to turn to for a genuine discussion — one that doesn’t turn their experience into a projection of the mind or a weird one-off incident. I can see more how having a website like this or the YouTube videos as resources that affirm such a unique experience and go so much in depth to answer many questions can have literally a life-altering impact on the individual. I’m very grateful as well to have these videos up! Quite a few times in there, people would ask questions I haven’t even thought of so it’s been really neat to hear Mark’s answers.
Hi Zorana,
Actually this is exactly what happened to me – I had a dream as a teenager that I could not explain, in which I saw my deceased great-grand-mother after her recent death (both watching interact with her astral body & go back to her dead body), and when I talked about it to my friends or family, first I was dismissed or made to feel like I was making things up or not right. So I kept quiet about it for close to 10 years, and it is only after I came across The Gnostic Movement and the course and books by Belsebuub that I was able to put 2 and 2 together. It was such a relief to be able to understand what had happened and then to be able to go to the astral plane without fear and start to get my own experience. It was liberating – it’s like you know the experience is more real than anything you’ve ever had and you can remember things so much more vividly than many other things, yet because people tell you it cant be then you start doubting yourself or you keep quiet.
I truly wonder how many people have in fact experience so many more of these events but have never talked about it for fear of ridicule :(
I was also one of those people Geraldine. When I was a teenager I had an out of body experience where I projected into my bedroom and was able to see my physical body asleep in my bed. I knew I wasn’t dreaming but I had no idea what was happening to me. I was so alarmed that I walked through the walls of the house to check up on my parents and baby sister who were all sound asleep. I didn’t really know what to do so I decided to go exploring outside where I jumped off my balcony and landed safely on the driveway. As soon as that happened, I was attacked by a couple of negative entities and out if fear escaped to my neighbouring friend’s house down the street where I hid behind her family’s car. When I felt I wasn’t being attacked, I made my way home and back to my bedroom. When I awoke the next day, I knew something out of the ordinary just happened and that I wanted to explore it further. That night and many other following nights, I tried to repeat the same experience. I knew I couldn’t talk about this with my family or friends without being ridiculed so for years I kept it to myself until I started I take the course on Astral Travel and read Mark’s book on A Course on Astral Travel and Dreams. Everything started to finally make sense to me.